Value & Credibility of 4th robots on an Alliance

[evanperryg]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

this one

While I agree with you, I'd like to remind you that you come off the same way on a very regular basis. As much as I find it amusing when you tell off some high-and-mighty CDer, you rarely do it with any tact at all. So, while condemning the cliques and aggressive rhetoric of CD is good, you're just as deep into it as the rest of us.

Also, friendly shout-out to 5254 and 20, who are good NY teams. Especially 5254, who is one of the most underrated teams in FRC.

Back to the topic at hand

1086 is a good team. They make good robots. They made valid contributions to the world champion alliance. They are a world champion. Never have I seen an alliance where I really felt that the 4th team wasn't making some sort of contribution. It's not about their robot, it's about their team. Even if their robot isn't on the field, they're still in on strategic discussions, and can help in making those choices. They still have a pit full of things that can help fix robots, or help put on blockers, stuff like that. They have human players. They have a team of excited students, cheering alongside the other three teams.

Originally Posted by pandamonium

What do people think about a rule stating that 4th robots have to touch the carpet in eliminations?

It's annoying, honestly. After seeing it in action at MARC 2014, I'd argue that this kind of rule constricts the strategic capabilities of a 4-team alliance, and makes the 4th team into an "ugh, just play them now and take the L" team, instead of a "we can play them instead of xxxx in this situation" team.

[bkahl]

Originally Posted by evanperryg

While I agree with you, I'd like to remind you that you come off the same way on a very regular basis. As much as I find it amusing when you tell off some high-and-mighty CDer, you rarely do it with any tact at all. So, while condemning the cliques and aggressive rhetoric of CD is good, you're just as deep into it as the rest of us.

It's a Dirty Job but someone's gotta do it...

[Akash Rastogi]

Can someone give me a tl;dr of this thread? Summer CD is too much for me to actually go through.

[wesbass23]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

Can someone give me a tl;dr of this thread? Summer CD is too much for me to actually go through.

4th bots can be both useful and not useful.

[Cothron Theiss]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

Can someone give me a tl;dr of this thread? Summer CD is too much for me to actually go through.

Originally Posted by wesbass23

4th bots can be both useful and not useful.

But regardless of what the 4th team does, the 4th team is just as much a part of the alliance as the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.