[FRC Blog] FRC Events Being Posted and AMAA on FUN

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

Yessssss! I'd love to compete with 359 again, and with TVR/FLR being the same week, and Ontario going to districts, there might actually be room at FLR this year for 359. (Also TVR is almost guaranteed to have openings if it's the same week as FLR, so if you wanted to come back there again, that would be cool too! Maybe they won't throw you in the corner pit this time )

Based on the 31 events posted so far, we would do Palmetto, FLR, and Hawaii.
FLR is definitely competitive and would look forward to coming back to NY.
NY Tech Valley regional is still the #1 regional event I have ever been to. Everyone from the teams to the volunteers/venue are 1st class. Every other event including our own Hawaii one could learn a lot from that event. Kudos to the RD for setting the tone on how a good regional should be run.

[Koko Ed]

It's official Tech Valley and FLR are on the same week.
What a disaster.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

It's official Tech Valley and FLR are on the same week.
What a disaster.

This is a really disappointing. It's a completely invented conflict, done without consideration for what's best for the vast majority of teams in NY state. Is every team in New York that does two events supposed to go to the brand new Hudson Valley event?

[Jon Stratis]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

This is a really disappointing. It's a completely invented conflict, done without consideration for what's best for the vast majority of teams in NY state. Is every team in New York that does two events supposed to go to the brand new Hudson Valley event?

"Completely invented"? By whom? Is it at all possible that venue availability played a large role in when these events happen? You talk as though you know the planners on the FRC side (RD's and RPC's) did this intentionally for some reason.

I know from scheduling out here, that despite the strongest desires of the RD's and RPC members, sometimes two events you want on separate weekends end up on the same one and thus limit options for teams.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by Jon Stratis

"Completely invented"? By whom? Is it at all possible that venue availability played a large role in when these events happen? You talk as though you know the planners on the FRC side (RD's and RPC's) did this intentionally for some reason.

I know from scheduling out here, that despite the strongest desires of the RD's and RPC members, sometimes two events you want on separate weekends end up on the same one and thus limit options for teams.

The venues are available when they are due to college breaks for RIT and RPI. The last time they had the same break, RPI held theirs the first weekend of break, and RIT did the second weekend.
The hope was that they would do the same thing this year.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Jon Stratis

"Completely invented"? By whom? Is it at all possible that venue availability played a large role in when these events happen? You talk as though you know the planners on the FRC side (RD's and RPC's) did this intentionally for some reason.

I wouldn't assert that I don't have any knowledge of the situation at hand here, just because I am complaining about something. That's awfully condescending.

RPI's ECAV facility is not in use either the beginning or the end of spring break, and the regional has been held on both weekends in different years without problems in either case. I am less familiar with RIT's arena, though I believe the same is true there. But it doesn't matter - RPI's is free both weekends, so if the powers that be wanted to, they could have had RPI on deck for the "other" weekend of spring break that RIT didn't want.

The only way the conflict is completely unavoidable, is if the Hudson Valley regional absolutely had to be a single weekend, and that weekend didn't work for either RPI or RIT to share with. But I don't' even think that regional's date is decided yet.


Completely invented was probably too strong of a phrase for this, though. Sorry about that, it's just frustrating.

[1493kd]

I expect the Hudson Valley one to fill up super fast, probably will have to sign up for that first before TVR.

Basically anyone in NY who wants a 2nd regional will have to go, close enough that many NYC teams will consider it. Oh ya and anyone in district looking for another event.

[Jon Stratis]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

RPI's ECAV facility is not in use either the beginning or the end of spring break, and the regional has been held on both weekends in different years without problems in either case.

Where did you find their schedule posted for this facility? I've done some searching, and the closest I can find is their general event calendar, which has no athletic events listed on it for the upcoming school year (and doesn't even have the regional listed, either).

Likewise, I've looked for RIT's events, and the best I can find is their general event list, which only has 1 event listed for the entire month of March, and it's not even the regional.

I don't mean to be condescending, but you're railing against the local planners of the event without providing any actual data to show that this conflict could have been avoided by them. Are we supposed to just take your word for it? I'd rather give the planners the benefit of the doubt until I can see evidence that they actually had other options.

[Brian Maher]

Originally Posted by 1493kd

I expect the Hudson Valley one to fill up super fast, probably will have to sign up for that first before TVR.

Basically anyone in NY who wants a 2nd regional will have to go, close enough that many NYC teams will consider it. Oh ya and anyone in district looking for another event.

I don't imagine it will fill up that fast. NYC and NYLI both fill up rather quickly with TVR not far behind, so I imagine most of their local teams will register for those first out of fear of missing a spot at their home event.

Don't worry, you're safe from district teams, unless you're looking to sign up for the Hudson Valley Regional as a third regional. They are not allowed to register for regionals until Unrestricted Regional Registration, after all regional teams have had a chance to register for two.

[bdaroz]

In a word - ugh.

An interesting thought crossed my mind though.... With Ontario going to districts, FLR/TVR on the same days, what will FLR/TVR attendance look like?

A quick look at last year showed 49 teams for FLR, 36 for TVR, 1 from Ontario attending FLR, and 11 teams that attended both TVR and FLR.

I agree, it does look like the to-be-announced-we-hope Hudson Valley regional will be the tougher one to get into this year.

[Aren Siekmeier]

Btw, PNW is still at nine events as they have been since they first released their dates. MAR at seven, both the same as last year.

Northern Lights was added about a day before Orlando and MAR.

Spoiler for last three days:

$ diff 1469577601.csv 1469664001.csv
1c1
< updated,"20:00:04 EDT-0400, Jul 25, 2016"
---
> updated,"20:00:03 EDT-0400, Jul 26, 2016"
5c5,6
< mndu,01-Mar - 04-Mar-2017,Lake Superior Regional,0,53,53
---
> mndu,01-Mar - 04-Mar-2017,Lake Superior Regional,0,33,33
> mndu2,01-Mar - 04-Mar-2017,Northern Lights Regional,0,30,30

$ diff 1469664001.csv last.csv
1c1
< updated,"20:00:03 EDT-0400, Jul 26, 2016"
---
> updated,"20:00:04 EDT-0400, Jul 27, 2016"
5d4
< mndu,01-Mar - 04-Mar-2017,Lake Superior Regional,0,33,33
6a6
> mndu,01-Mar - 04-Mar-2017,Lake Superior Regional,0,33,33
7a8
> flor,08-Mar - 11-Mar-2017,Orlando Regional,0,54,54
14a16
> mrcmp,05-Apr-2017,Mid-Atlantic Robotics District Championship sponsored by Johnson & Johnson,0,0,0
15a18,24
> pahat,03-Mar - 05-Mar-2017,MAR District - Hatboro-Horsham Event,0,33,33
> njfla,10-Mar - 12-Mar-2017,MAR District - Mt. Olive Event,0,33,33
> pawch,10-Mar - 12-Mar-2017,MAR District - Westtown Event,0,33,33
> njbri,17-Mar - 19-Mar-2017,MAR District - Bridgewater-Raritan Event,0,33,33
> paphi,17-Mar - 19-Mar-2017,MAR District - Springside Chestnut Hill Event,0,29,29
> njtab,24-Mar - 26-Mar-2017,MAR District - Seneca Event,0,33,33
> njski,31-Mar - 02-Apr-2017,MAR District - Montgomery Event,0,31,31

$ diff last.csv ../../data.csv
1c1
< updated,"20:00:04 EDT-0400, Jul 27, 2016"
---
> updated,"13:29:03 EDT-0400, Jul 28, 2016"
9a10
> nytr,15-Mar - 18-Mar-2017,New York Tech Valley Regional,0,26,26

(Note, Lake Superior and Northern Lights like to randomly switch places in the list, did this last year too)

And is anyone else wondering how they're gonna fit MAR champs into a single Wednesday?

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by bdaroz

In a word - ugh.

An interesting thought crossed my mind though.... With Ontario going to districts, FLR/TVR on the same days, what will FLR/TVR attendance look like?

A quick look at last year showed 49 teams for FLR, 36 for TVR, 1 from Ontario attending FLR, and 11 teams that attended both TVR and FLR.

I agree, it does look like the to-be-announced-we-hope Hudson Valley regional will be the tougher one to get into this year.

I would not be surprised to see some Canadian teams come back to RIT to play, especially if they aren't doing as well in the district rankings and see winning FLR as a way to get to St. Louis.

[Brian Maher]

Originally Posted by Aren Siekmeier

And is anyone else wondering how they're gonna fit MAR champs into a single Wednesday?

That's how we do it in MAR We totally don't need three days for quals or anything...

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Aren Siekmeier

Btw, PNW is still at nine events as they have been since they first released their dates. MAR at seven, both the same as last year.

Northern Lights was added about a day before Orlando and MAR.

Spoiler for last three days:

$ diff 1469577601.csv 1469664001.csv
1c1
< updated,"20:00:04 EDT-0400, Jul 25, 2016"
---
> updated,"20:00:03 EDT-0400, Jul 26, 2016"
5c5,6
< mndu,01-Mar - 04-Mar-2017,Lake Superior Regional,0,53,53
---
> mndu,01-Mar - 04-Mar-2017,Lake Superior Regional,0,33,33
> mndu2,01-Mar - 04-Mar-2017,Northern Lights Regional,0,30,30

$ diff 1469664001.csv last.csv
1c1
< updated,"20:00:03 EDT-0400, Jul 26, 2016"
---
> updated,"20:00:04 EDT-0400, Jul 27, 2016"
5d4
< mndu,01-Mar - 04-Mar-2017,Lake Superior Regional,0,33,33
6a6
> mndu,01-Mar - 04-Mar-2017,Lake Superior Regional,0,33,33
7a8
> flor,08-Mar - 11-Mar-2017,Orlando Regional,0,54,54
14a16
> mrcmp,05-Apr-2017,Mid-Atlantic Robotics District Championship sponsored by Johnson & Johnson,0,0,0
15a18,24
> pahat,03-Mar - 05-Mar-2017,MAR District - Hatboro-Horsham Event,0,33,33
> njfla,10-Mar - 12-Mar-2017,MAR District - Mt. Olive Event,0,33,33
> pawch,10-Mar - 12-Mar-2017,MAR District - Westtown Event,0,33,33
> njbri,17-Mar - 19-Mar-2017,MAR District - Bridgewater-Raritan Event,0,33,33
> paphi,17-Mar - 19-Mar-2017,MAR District - Springside Chestnut Hill Event,0,29,29
> njtab,24-Mar - 26-Mar-2017,MAR District - Seneca Event,0,33,33
> njski,31-Mar - 02-Apr-2017,MAR District - Montgomery Event,0,31,31

$ diff last.csv ../../data.csv
1c1
< updated,"20:00:04 EDT-0400, Jul 27, 2016"
---
> updated,"13:29:03 EDT-0400, Jul 28, 2016"
9a10
> nytr,15-Mar - 18-Mar-2017,New York Tech Valley Regional,0,26,26

(Note, Lake Superior and Northern Lights like to randomly switch places in the list, did this last year too)

And is anyone else wondering how they're gonna fit MAR champs into a single Wednesday?

Ambitious scheduling.

[Aren Siekmeier]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

I would not be surprised to see some Canadian teams come back to RIT to play, especially if they aren't doing as well in the district rankings and see winning FLR as a way to get to St. Louis.

Wouldn't you need to register for FLR long before your district ranking becomes possible to predict?