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Wouldn't you need to register for FLR long before your district ranking becomes possible to predict?
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I can, however, see some of the Ontario teams who traditionally play three regionals or do a travel regional coming to FLR for another play.
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Re: [FRC Blog] FRC Events Being Posted and AMAA on FUN

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Wouldn't you need to register for FLR long before your district ranking becomes possible to predict?
I believe there have been exceptions in the past where teams were able to register for an event (provided they had open capacity) well into the season. I remember that there was a team at the Buckeye regional in 2013 that had registered the Monday or Tuesday leading up to the event.

EDIT - On a side note, it looks like CALU is on spring break the same week as RIT and RPI. Last year, the Greater Pittsburgh Regional was held at the end of CALU's spring break, which makes it a possibility that Greater Pittsburgh Regional will end up on the same week as FLR and Tech Valley.
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Re: [FRC Blog] FRC Events Being Posted and AMAA on FUN

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I believe there have been exceptions in the past where teams were able to register for an event (provided they had open capacity) well into the season. I remember that there was a team at the Buckeye regional in 2013 that had registered the Monday or Tuesday leading up to the event.

EDIT - On a side note, it looks like CALU is on spring break the same week as RIT and RPI. Last year, the Greater Pittsburgh Regional was held at the end of CALU's spring break, which makes it a possibility that Greater Pittsburgh Regional will end up on the same week as FLR and Tech Valley.
GG Rochester teams.

I also think HVR will be the harder to get into event, because who is going to TVR now? No Rochester teams will be there, no NYC teams will go. I think TVR is going to be light on teams this year (meaning maybe we'll get a bunch of districts teams!), and FLR will lack the capital region teams, including at least 3 of their best 4 high goal shooters from 2016 (20, 2791, 3044).

5254 is undecided as to which events we'd attend, so I can't say yet.
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Wouldn't you need to register for FLR long before your district ranking becomes possible to predict?
It worked for 910 when they qualified for the championships by winning Great Lakes Windsor-Essex with 2056 which was a good thing because they didn't qualify for MSC.
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Btw, PNW is still at nine events as they have been since they first released their dates.
I wonder whether we have the whole set of PNW events now or if there will be one more coming. I don't have any inside information on whether the list as it is now is final, but if it is the only differences from last year are that the Philomath event has disappeared and the Lake Oswego event has appeared.

Presumably the Lake Monsters (2635) will be putting on the new event. They're from the right school district even though they meet at their district's other high school. Congratulations to them and I'm sure they'll do a good job of it.

I wonder if we'll see some major reshuffling of home event assignments. Most of teams previously assigned to Philomath would now be closest to Wilsonville. And most of the teams that were assigned to either Clackamas Academy of Industrial Science ("Oregon City") or Wilsonville will now be closest to Lake Oswego.
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I can, however, see some of the Ontario teams who traditionally play three regionals or do a travel regional coming to FLR for another play.
Perhaps. FIRST Canada has made sure there will be ample space in Ontario for teams to get 3rd plays, so many teams may forgo playing at a regional in order to save on registration fees ($1200 CAD for a 3rd district vs ~$5200 CAD for a regional) and travel costs. However as stated by Ed and others, there still might be some Ontario teams looking to attend a regional for the direct qualification option. Also, don't be surprised to see an uptick in registration from Quebec teams who can no longer go to Ontario for their second play.
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Re: [FRC Blog] FRC Events Being Posted and AMAA on FUN

The 5 new york regionals
Long Island - almost impossible to get into if your not a long Island team.
NYC - not nearly as difficult to get into but could see a lower slot count with the new venue
FLR - the same week as tvr going to be hard to fill
TVR - the same week as flr going to probably fill up but not nearly as fast as usual
Hvr - not even officially confirmed regional that looks like it will give long Island a run for it's money in terms of how fast can a regional fill.

Hmm.... This looks like kind of a mess.
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The 5 new york regionals
Long Island - almost impossible to get into if your not a long Island team.
NYC - not nearly as difficult to get into but could see a lower slot count with the new venue
FLR - the same week as tvr going to be hard to fill
TVR - the same week as flr going to probably fill up but not nearly as fast as usual
Hvr - not even officially confirmed regional that looks like it will give long Island a run for it's money in terms of how fast can a regional fill.

Hmm.... This looks like kind of a mess.
Not to mention many of the closest areas around NY are districts, meaning many teams probably won't be happy with what they get. 229 probably has 4 events we can go to, and two are already on the same week. If NE or MAR or Ontario were still open, that number would be insanely larger. The growing borders between regionals and districts is becoming a serious issue.
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Not to mention many of the closest areas around NY are districts, meaning many teams probably won't be happy with what they get. 229 probably has 4 events we can go to, and two are already on the same week. If NE or MAR or Ontario were still open, that number would be insanely larger. The growing borders between regionals and districts is becoming a serious issue.
New York badly needs to go district!
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New York badly needs to go district!
At an SBPLI meeting the other night (I did not even know it was going on but my mentor attended) SBPLI (The organization that runs FIRST on long island) said that they are "going to hold on to the regional model for as long as they can to maximize the number of teams they can send to World's, with the two regionals." What they are talking about with the two regionals is the possibility of a second Long Island regional is 2018.

The part that really alarms me is the maximize the numbers of teams to worlds... Is that a joke? It seems to me like they are not even aware of the benefit that the district system provides. I reached out to the RD of long island to verify stuff but I would not be surprised if its accurate. It should also be mentioned SBPLI has spoken about not having enough money before yet wants to host a second regional after presumably losing a large sponsor (Cablevision) as the company was absorbed into a larger French telecom.

So now I hear in 2018 NY is going to try to have 6 regionals...

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At an SBPLI meeting the other night (I did not even know it was going on but my mentor attended) SBPLI (The organization that runs FIRST on long island) said that they are "going to hold on to the regional model for as long as they can to maximize the number of teams they can send to World's, with the two regionals." What they are talking about with the two regionals is the possibility of a second Long Island regional is 2018.

The part that really alarms me is the maximize the numbers of teams to worlds... Is that a joke? ...snip...
For many years, Michigan got 18 spots because there were 3 regionals replaced thus 18 spots. This stood for many years and lead to a belief that the number of regionals replaced is how many slots you will get. That changed a few years ago when the championship got larger and now it is %of teas representation which is why there are so many teams from Michigan an Worlds.
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At an SBPLI meeting the other night (I did not even know it was going on but my mentor attended) SBPLI (The organization that runs FIRST on long island) said that they are "going to hold on to the regional model for as long as they can to maximize the number of teams they can send to World's, with the two regionals." What they are talking about with the two regionals is the possibility of a second Long Island regional is 2018.

The part that really alarms me is the maximize the numbers of teams to worlds... Is that a joke? It seems to me like they are not even aware of the benefit that the district system provides. I reached out to the RD of long island to verify stuff but I would not be surprised if its accurate. It should also be mentioned SBPLI has spoken about not having enough money before yet wants to host a second regional after presumably losing a large sponsor (Cablevision) as the company was absorbed into a larger French telecom.

So now I hear in 2018 NY is going to try to have 6 regionals...

ugh...

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At an SBPLI meeting the other night (I did not even know it was going on but my mentor attended) SBPLI (The organization that runs FIRST on long island) said that they are "going to hold on to the regional model for as long as they can to maximize the number of teams they can send to World's, with the two regionals." What they are talking about with the two regionals is the possibility of a second Long Island regional is 2018.

The part that really alarms me is the maximize the numbers of teams to worlds... Is that a joke? It seems to me like they are not even aware of the benefit that the district system provides. I reached out to the RD of long island to verify stuff but I would not be surprised if its accurate. It should also be mentioned SBPLI has spoken about not having enough money before yet wants to host a second regional after presumably losing a large sponsor (Cablevision) as the company was absorbed into a larger French telecom.

So now I hear in 2018 NY is going to try to have 6 regionals...

ugh...

Hey MAR or NE want some long island friends? We bring good bagels.
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According to the 3rd chart on this page, NY was actually under-represented at CMP in 2016. MN was severely under-represented at CMP in 2016.

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Does not surprise me.

And this begs the question... What can we do?

Well. Without the regional directors even wanting districts not much. We can make a document like yours which is definitely a step in the right direction but convincing RD's is likely not too easy especially when they are already panning regionals for 2018.
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Any Michigan events locked in yet?
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