Discussion on All-Girl events

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Ed Law

If the moderators are not going to enforce the rules of anonymous accounts, I am going to ask the community to stop engaging in discussions with trolls. Let them say whatever they want. If nobody responds to them, they will go away. I even put some of them on ignore list so I don't have to see their posts.

Ed, just so you're aware, anonymous accounts are not prohibited by CD rules. Duplicate accounts are*. There is a difference. Just to give one example of why anonymous accounts aren't prohibited: are you sure that I'm actually who I say I am? After all, I'm just another random person on the internet. ( Just so we're clear, none of the information on my profile is fake.)


*As a general rule--there are several known duplicate and/or group accounts, which I assume have permission from the webmaster to exist.

[Pauline Tasci]

Originally Posted by EricH

Ed, just so you're aware, anonymous accounts are not prohibited by CD rules. Duplicate accounts are*. There is a difference. Just to give one example of why anonymous accounts aren't prohibited: are you sure that I'm actually who I say I am? After all, I'm just another random person on the internet. ( Just so we're clear, none of the information on my profile is fake.)


*As a general rule--there are several known duplicate and/or group accounts, which I assume have permission from the webmaster to exist.

But bullying is prohibited on CD. And this account is bullying a lot of people on this thread about our views.

[ASD20]

Originally Posted by EricH

Ed, just so you're aware, anonymous accounts are not prohibited by CD rules. Duplicate accounts are*. There is a difference. Just to give one example of why anonymous accounts aren't prohibited: are you sure that I'm actually who I say I am? After all, I'm just another random person on the internet. ( Just so we're clear, none of the information on my profile is fake.)


*As a general rule--there are several known duplicate and/or group accounts, which I assume have permission from the webmaster to exist.

Even if they don't outright admit it, I would be shocked if ANY of those troll accounts aren't second accounts.

[frcguy]

Originally Posted by ASD20

Even if they don't outright admit it, I would be shocked if ANY of those troll accounts aren't second accounts.

+1. I highly doubt students that haven't used CD or even random people on the Internet decide to troll a relatively obscure high school robotics forum at random.

And I just want to reiterate one more time that I am NOT associated with this "anfrcguy", and I personally believe his posts are complete nonsense and are just looking for a reaction and I completely disagree with everything he has written.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by frcguy

+1. I highly doubt students that haven't used CD or even random people on the Internet decide to troll a relatively obscure high school robotics forum at random.

It's been a decade since someone last tried that, I think, but it has happened.

Back story is that back around '06, some folks from another forum decided to spam/troll CD. (CD users do use other forums as well; I think that's where said trolls heard about CD.) Long story short, they were spotted pretty quickly, posts deleted, called out by users who spotted them from the other forum(s) to go back to said forums, and accounts banned by mods. Took about a day (I wasn't online at the time, so I only saw the aftermath).



I see four separate offenses. I only addressed ONE. Anonymity is not against CD rules; however, anonymous users should at least do everybody the favor of complying with the CD rules. The other three are duplicate accounts (against CD rules), bullying (against CD rules), and being a troll (it depends--it is possible to be a troll without breaking any rules, believe it or not).

[smitikshah]

I can't wait for this thread to go away. People now (aside from Pauline's speech and ensuing debate about anons), are mainly looking for a response. Most everything these anons/second accounts whatever you will are bringing up points already previously mentioned in the thread.

If you genuinely think you can add something to this discussion please read the past 11 pages and see if it was mentioned - it likely has been already. It saves people from starting a new CD debate.

[s_forbes]

Originally Posted by Ed Law

I am assuming you are referring to anfrcguy who created an account today and only posted on this thread.

(...)

If I was someone who lurked on this message board and only decided to create an account when I saw a topic that I had a heavy opinion on, being immediately labeled as a troll would surely turn me away from the community. Maybe I hang around different parts of the internet than the rest of you, but that user doesn't seem like a troll to me.

Originally Posted by Pauline Tasci

But bullying is prohibited on CD. And this account is bullying a lot of people on this thread about our views.

On the subject of bullying, please keep in mind the reaction to the user who's post was used to start this thread:

Originally Posted by The Swaggy P

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I have received private hate messages, both directly & indirectly insulting me. I've been called names, I've received veiled threats. And after looking into my sudden reputation drop to 5 negative reputation bars, I found out that between 12:00 AM & 9:00 AM this morning, 400 negative reputation was added to my profile without any additional rep comments. For these reasons I choose to remain anonymous, since I don't want to be yet another victim of discriminatory violence in a country that supposedly allows freedom of speech.

I am only a high school student, and you have shown me the worst of what the future has to offer here. I will no longer be posting or responding to users in this thread, as I will clearly only receive hate in return.

It's probably a waste of words, but I encourage y'all to try and view things from other peoples perspectives before you post. Being inflammatory and insisting your view is the only correct one just makes this forum look silly. This is the kind of atmosphere that completely turned me off of posting here when I was in high school.

[Sperkowsky]

Why do people keep saying that these anon accounts are trolling? All I see is people with different views then yourself. I am not saying I agree with either side. But by calling someone disagreeing with a troll you are invalidating your argument. There are 2 sides to every debate. In order to get anywhere both sides have to mutually respect each other.

[jajabinx124]

Originally Posted by s_forbes

It's probably a waste of words, but I encourage y'all to try and view things from other peoples perspectives before you post. Being inflammatory and insisting your view is the only correct one just makes this forum look silly. This is the kind of atmosphere that completely turned me off of posting here when I was in high school.

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

Why do people keep saying that these anon accounts are trolling? All I see is people with different views then yourself. I am not saying I agree with either side. But by calling someone disagreeing with a troll you are invalidating your argument. There are 2 sides to every debate. In order to get anywhere both sides have to mutually respect each other.

I agree with these posts. I'm not taking a side either, but I agree that being inflammatory and insisting one view is the correct one makes this thread and parts of CD look silly as heck. The only way we are going to progress on issues such as this, and other societal issues, is being open of others perspectives and respectfully disagreeing with what was mentioned. I understand the inflammatory responses because it's obvious many people have direct personal feelings attached to this issue and that causes the disagreeing to come out with an ego which I understand, but it's an issue because this thread largely fell apart because of that. The only way we are going to make a change is by opening up people to speak their opinions and have a mutual debate. This thread discourages many members from participating/expressing their views on crucial societal issues. And honestly if they don't voice that then the issues get prolonged further.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

Why do people keep saying that these anon accounts are trolling? All I see is people with different views then yourself. I am not saying I agree with either side. But by calling someone disagreeing with a troll you are invalidating your argument. There are 2 sides to every debate. In order to get anywhere both sides have to mutually respect each other.

Because people who use anonymous accounts typically have unpopular opinions and others are weary of calling them what they really are (asses), so they use the word troll to make it okay.

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by Gregor

Because people who use anonymous accounts typically have unpopular opinions and others are weary of calling them what they really are (asses), so they use the word troll to make it okay.

So because they have an unpopular opinion they are automatically asses?

The reason they need to make anonymous accounts is because people are so toxic towards the unpopular opinion. If we all atleast mutually respected each other these anonymous accounts would more or less disappear.

[hardcopi]

Originally Posted by Pauline Tasci

But bullying is prohibited on CD. And this account is bullying a lot of people on this thread about our views.

Bullying is only prohibited in name only. The original poster, who is a student btw and not a mentor was bullied mercilessly for having a different opinion and actually stating it. Sure the bullying was through downgrade of reputation (-400... seriously) and through rude and bullying private messages, but the student was still bullied.

The interesting thing is that I know I will get negative reputation for this. To say bullying is prohibited is to ignore the fact that it is built into the rep system. Heck it is almost encouraged.

As mentors, would any of you have treated this kid the same way in person if he had voiced a difference of opinion?

And we wonder why people create anonymous accounts.

Rich.

[Aidan Cox]

Anon Number 2- If you could choose any thread on Chief Delphi to abrasively troll, which one would it be?

[smitikshah]

I've been trying really hard to let this thread die down bit couldn't resist from adding this

One anon account used their power and pmed me how my story was a lie and discredot what I said, saying it was false. They also said parts of my post were looking for attention. Thankfully I couldn't care less about anons opinion and handled the ssituation. But what if I couldn't? What if it really hurt?

The person was able to use an anon account to attack me about my views on the subject. This is not just simply an "unpopular opinion".

Wow we went from debating girls events, to biological differences, to debating the validity of burner accounts. What in the world?

off season cd, you forever amaze me

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by hardcopi

Bullying is only prohibited in name only. The original poster, who is a student btw and not a mentor was bullied mercilessly for having a different opinion and actually stating it. Sure the bullying was through downgrade of reputation (-400... seriously) and through rude and bullying private messages, but the student was still bullied.

I'm not sure I disagree with this post, but could you link to the specific examples you consider bullying? Obviously, there is a line between passionately disagreeing with someone and "bullying" them, and it would be educational for everybody to discuss where that line is.

One thing I'm sure I disagree with is the idea that giving negative reputation is bullying. If negative reputation is considered "bullying", then I'm sure lots of people on both sides of this debate have been "bullied", perhaps by each other. Negative reputation is given by different people for different reasons, but at least for me, it requires more from me than to disagree with the post in question - the post has to be rude, condescending, toxic toward other parties in the debate, smug, arrogant, etc. to elicit a red dot. I'm sure other people have more hair triggers than I do.

Originally Posted by smitikshah

They also said parts of my post were looking for attention.

I have never, ever understood this criticism from anyone. Literally all communication by all humans is desiring the attention of the reader. That is why words are said, to get the attention of another person to communicate an idea to them. Additionally, attention is not a finite resource and is a legitimate human need. What exactly is someone's point when they say a statement is "looking for attention"?