Collusion at the championship event?

[Josh Hambright]

I know this will probably start another flame...

But did anyone witness or take part in any collusion in houston?

I know that before one of our matches our alliance told us that one of our oponents had approached them about leaving the stacks on both sides untouched. We declined (as pledged in the collusion on galileo thread) and ended up beating our opponent and getting a QP of 246...very nice match without collusion.

I personaly didn't see any going on in galileo but i didn't get to watch very many matches on other fields... What did you guys observe?

[Wayne C.]

Curie was apparently a clean field full of hard playing robots. The few high scores achieved were the result of great gamesmanship and a little luck.

WC

[DougHogg]

I heard that Woodie Flowers had written a memo about collusion, but I never saw one. Did anyone else see such a memo?

[Marc P.]

Originally posted by Wayne C.
Curie was apparently a clean field full of hard playing robots. The few high scores achieved were the result of great gamesmanship and a little luck.

WC

There was one match on Curie that had me a bit suspicious... in my corner of the field (red) I saw a blue robot roll up to a human player stack of 4, stay there for a second, then turn around and go back. I didn't see, but the ref on the other side (blue) told me the same thing happend with a red bot with a blue stack. I don't remember which teams it was, or which match number, but myself and another ref thought it odd that both stacks should remain standing, with all four bots on the top at the end...

It was the only match where we suspected something, every other match where stacks remained, the appropriate alliance bot defended the stack to the death, much to my personal delight.

[Austin]

45 did not endorse nor participate in any colluding. Also I did not personally witness any colluding, however i did not see very many matches because of my presence in the pit and behind the OI, and absence from the stands most of the day.

[dez250]

ok since i voulentered on archimedes on Friday and Saturday, i can say that i did not see any time when 2 teams on different alliances had a plan made up for getting high QP scores, and we had 4 of the top 5 high scores from nats at the end of the event.

~Dez

[IsabelRinging]

Every game in Newton was watched by at least someone on my team, and I didn't hear anyone mention a thing about rigged matches.

I saw a lot of stack defense going on, though, which was great fun to watch.

[Josh Hambright]

Originally posted by Austin
45 did not endorse nor participate in any colluding. Also I did not personally witness any colluding, however i did not see very many matches because of my presence in the pit and behind the OI, and absence from the stands most of the day.

Hahaha DJ came up to me before our match against you and was all "Hey josh wanna collude? We can just leave the HP stacks up"

I figured he was joking but he said it so straight faced...silly DJ messing with my head

Evidently a few of my team members were in on the joke!

[Matt Attallah]

There was a team that came up to us twice (one aginst and once with) that wanted to do collusion. We disagreed, and he was kinda mad, but i didn't really care. I didn't wish to do that...

Most of the Friday matches I saw at Newton were like elimination matches, Clear the boxes, battle for the top and then try to beat your opponent 25 or 50 to nothing. I saw this tactic even if only one robot showed up or became disabled. I saw 67 (Hot) in a qualifier in one match where there opponents got tangled up on their side with 1 minute left to go with both blue robots on the platform 67 proceeded to clear out any remaining boxes I think they ended up with about 4 extra QP's. I asked the mentor what
the heck they were doing and he answered 'winning'. Maybe he was smarter than me because they did get finalists at Newton.

I saw another match in which the loser deliberately threw away their 25 points in the last 3 seconds of the match just to spite their opponents, who had not done anything particularly egregious to them. They left them some crate points, and left plenty of room in the middle of the platform for them to drive on.

In general on Saturday AM the play was much better - it was hard and rough, but purposefully so.


There certainly was no collusion in the elimination rounds.

[ngreen]

In a hard fought match 1108 and 469 score 302 QP points agaist team 34 and another team. THe highest score for archimedes and second highest of the championship. There were four stacks in both areas, we defended ours and left 34's alone knowing we had more boxes. Then all four robots managed to get on top. It was awesome. There was no collusion. We had won LSR allianced with 34 the week before but we both did all we could to win.

[Jared Russell]

Thankfully, I saw no collusion on Galileo field. On a couple of occasions, my qualifying match partners had said that they relied on collusion during their regionals but that they were not going to do it here.

In the end, all of my team's matches ended up being incredibly nail-biting affairs...the way it should be.

Now, why couldn't people be as noble during the regionals?

[Stephen Kowski]

Originally posted by DougHogg
I heard that Woodie Flowers had written a memo about collusion, but I never saw one. Did anyone else see such a memo?

We got the memo.....

[DougHogg]

Originally posted by Stephen Kowski


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Originally posted by DougHogg
I heard that Woodie Flowers had written a memo about collusion, but I never saw one. Did anyone else see such a memo?
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We got the memo.....

I really wanted to see that. Any chance you could post the text of the memo here.

[Amanda Morrison]

Originally posted by Abwehr
Thankfully, I saw no collusion on Galileo field. On a couple of occasions, my partners had said that they relied on collusion during their regionals but that they were not going to do it here.

Now, why couldn't people be as noble during the regionals?

Watching the webcast, I did not see any signs evident of collusion, but a lot of great game strategy. Of course, there is nothing wrong with leaving your opponent's stacks alone for strategic reasons during a match... but when it is preplanned, it becomes a problem.

However, I did hear of collusion in the Galileo division during Nats, and from a respectable team. I was surprised that anyone tried colluding with anyone else after the numerous threads and flames here on CD and the controversy that it caused. I wish the same - that all of this collusion business never happened, and that hopefully FIRST will create a collusion-free game next year that is a little less controversial. We shall see...