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Re: Rigorous, scientific pocketing?

Any one have a SolidWorks tutorial that shows how to use the FEA accurately for tubing and gear box loading?
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Re: Rigorous, scientific pocketing?

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Any one have a SolidWorks tutorial that shows how to use the FEA accurately for tubing and gear box loading?
http://www.solidworks.com/sw/product...y-analysis.htm

That's the page for SolidWorks' information about doing simulations on entire assemblies. Theoretically, the way to get the most accurate FEA data is to create your entire assembly (fasteners, sheet metal features, chains, belts, weldments, the whole nine yards) and then run your simulation on the whole thing. However, in my experience, that's more trouble than it's worth, especially in a 6-week timeframe. What I do these days is just take it one critical part at a time, like the main drive rails or the gearbox plates and just place constraints and loads as best I can. For that, I run lots of different simulations, including drop test, static, and cyclic simulations. For me, running 10 (maybe not actually 10, but it's a nice number) simulations on each critical component is easier and more accurate than running one giant simulation on the whole assembly, especially while I'm still designing. Granted, I'm not the most familiar with FEA yet, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

Oh, and remember that accurate FEA data and inaccurate FEA data often look very similar, and it can be difficult to get all of your constants and constraints and loads just right.
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Re: Rigorous, scientific pocketing?

Isogrid is used in a lot of aerospace applications.
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Re: Rigorous, scientific pocketing?

As someone who teaches SOLIDWORKS FEA and does consulting work with it for a living I can say this...

Students will only have access to static FEA analysis in their student SOLIDWORKS version so you need to check the following:

-You are using a linear static material (no rubber or non-linear polymers)
Ex. HDPE is ok but PE is not because PE plastic does not have a yield strength. Any metal alloy you use commonly in FRC are covered here but you need accurate material models from the manufacturer, MATWEB.com, or somewhere reliable.

-The loads and deflections are linear. Double the load, double the deflection.

-Loads are applied slowly and gradually. No dynamic loads.

The software can do all of these things above with the correct version of SOLIDWORKS Simulation! But not with a student version!

It is also best practice to simplify. You could try to build the entire assembly in a simulation and wait 3 days for it to mesh and run to get good results or you can take it part by part and simulate that parts environment instead. The highest number of components I have ever tried to simulate simultaneously was about 600 parts. It took about 4 days to run on a $80,000 machine that most people could not fathom owning. I don't recommend that route if you are just starting out with FEA.

With that being said, I have actually started to produce content at work relating FRC, SOLIDWORKS, 3D Printing, and FEA analysis. One of the videos on FEA should be posted this week. When I have the link I will share it here.
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Re: Rigorous, scientific pocketing?

As promised, this was a webinar I did featuring our robot, 3D printing, and some basic FEA analysis that we used. Sorry it took so long to get up there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQWw...ature=youtu.be

Just to be clear, FRC was not the target audience here. SOLIDWORKS users were. There are some additional robotics topics on the channel as well if you guys have not seen those yet from my other postings.

If there is some additional interest in FEA within the FRC community I might tape some examples with my students doing the work and post them for you guys.

I know we use it but is this something you guys would use?
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Re: Rigorous, scientific pocketing?

We call it swiss cheesing. Often it goes on the scale and gets the hole saw treatment until it's light enough. Nothing scientific.

As the students design, cam, and shop skills have improved we have done more milled triangles into our plates. This saved half the weight of our side plates. Can't say they were engineered but rather guess-gineered.

The isogrid looks attractive due to considerable weight savings but it does really drive up the material cost and machine time. If your milling away 90% of your material you better have deep pockets. A lot of isogrids and orthogrids appear to be on lightweight pressure vessels, like air and space craft. Is this because they work well in tension? I wonder how well this transfers to arms and such used in FRC. It would be neat to run some through FEA and see what it does.

This is a good read that I'm planning to use this season when we discuss grid lightening. Pre-season I think we'll make up some sample parts and see how they hold up. It will also give us an idea of how long the process may really take.
http://www.iccm-central.org/Proceedi...ers/pap357.pdf
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