FIRST vs Free Speech

[JamalBendkowski]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

Chiefdelphi is a Robotics forum. In fact to quote the site directly "This is a discussion forum used to discuss the FIRST Robotics Competition."

Talking about political views is a TERRIBLE idea here and frankly inappropriate. You are either a newly created Anon account or a first time CD user. If this is your first time here trust me in telling you a political discussion will turn sour very quickly.

OK, I won't bring up any current politics but I will bring the thread back to what it was originally about: FIRST vs Free Speech. I was told that the actions of one person should not represent all of FIRST, which I agree with.

But now everybody on here is telling me to hush-hush with how I believe this volunteer was behaving inappropriately, and surely everyone on here is part of the FIRST community. So now a group of people representative of the FIRST community are also trying to squash free speech. Doesn't this just prove exactly what I was claiming in the original post?

[messer5740]

Originally Posted by JamalBendkowski

OK, I won't bring up any current politics but I will bring the thread back to what it was originally about: FIRST vs Free Speech. I was told that the actions of one person should not represent all of FIRST, which I agree with.

But now everybody on here is telling me to hush-hush with how I believe this volunteer was behaving inappropriately, and surely everyone on here is part of the FIRST community. So now a group of people representative of the FIRST community are also trying to squash free speech. Doesn't this just prove exactly what I was claiming in the original post?

No because he was commenting on having non-closed toe shoes on and had a differing opinion. That how I see it but others may see it differently.

[Munchskull]

Originally Posted by JamalBendkowski

But now everybody on here is telling me to hush-hush with how I believe this volunteer was behaving inappropriately, and surely everyone on here is part of the FIRST community. So now a group of people representative of the FIRST community are also trying to squash free speech. Doesn't this just prove exactly what I was claiming in the original post?

I don't think you understand what free speech is. They are not squashing your free speech they are requesting that we keep it civil and away from politics. If your free speech was being squashed then your posts would be gone. You by all means have free speech, does not mean that we have to listen to it or that you are free of repercussions due to your speech.

[JamalBendkowski]

Originally Posted by Munchskull

I don't think you understand what free speech is. They are not squashing your free speech they are requesting that we keep it civil and away from politics. If your free speech was being squashed then your posts would be gone. You by all means have free speech, does not mean that we have to listen to it or that you are free of repercussions due to your speech.

I don't you think you understand what I'm talking about.

For one to be against free-speech, they don't have to be deleting posts and censoring information. The minimum criteria is that they express that they are against it. For example, if you were to say "I don't support free speech, and I don't think you should bring certain discussion here," you wouldn't be censoring me, but you would certainly be against free speech. After all, you would've said it.

[smitikshah]

I got two questions for you:

1. Are you secretly affiliated with bad lard (some secret Bad Lard Coalition or something)?

and

2. What do you think about free speech in FRC China?

Warm Regards,
Smiti

[JamalBendkowski]

Originally Posted by smitikshah

I got two questions for you:

1. Are you secretly affiliated with bad lard (some secret Bad Lard Coalition or something)?

and

2. What do you think about free speech in FRC China?

Warm Regards,
Smiti

I'm no expert in Chinese affairs, but I think it's a shame that the Chinese government censors so much information, especially online. I don't know how that affects the FRC sphere.

[messer5740]

Originally Posted by JamalBendkowski

I'm no expert in Chinese affairs, but I think it's a shame that the Chinese government censors so much information, especially online. I don't know how that affects the FRC sphere.

Ask team 3504 they hosted a Chinese robotics team for WVROX

[Michael Hill]

FYI, free speech in the U.S. just means you won't be prosecuted for what you say*. It doesn't mean people have to agree with you or even tolerate you. HTH.

[JamalBendkowski]

Originally Posted by Michael Hill

FYI, free speech in the U.S. just means you won't be prosecuted for what you say*. It doesn't mean people have to agree with you or even tolerate you. HTH.

I'm well aware. How does this post add to the discussion when somebody else already posted the same content? By repeatedly posting this, it's just an underhanded way of saying "I'm smugly disagreeing with you."

[Michael Hill]

Originally Posted by JamalBendkowski

I'm well aware. How does this post add to the discussion when somebody else already posted the same content? By repeatedly posting this, it's just an underhanded way of saying "I'm smugly disagreeing with you."

I'm posting it because you seem to not realize that you shouldn't be surprised by peoples' reactions to your public statements. Would it really surprise you that a person of Hispanic descent would not have a favorable opinion of you while wearing a "BUILD THAT WALL" button? Free speech doesn't give you a free pass to say whatever you want without repercussion.

[JamalBendkowski]

Originally Posted by Michael Hill

I'm posting it because you seem to not realize that you shouldn't be surprised by peoples' reactions to your public statements. Would it really surprise you that a person of Hispanic descent would not have a favorable opinion of you while wearing a "BUILD THAT WALL" button? Free speech doesn't give you a free pass to say whatever you want without repercussion.

Ignoring the fact that you just discreetly called every Hispanic who does agree with the statement an Uncle Tom, I wasn't surprised nor would I care if he has an unfavorable view of me. I'm focusing on what he DID, not whether or not he liked me.

[Michael Hill]

Originally Posted by JamalBendkowski

Ignoring the fact that you just discreetly called every Hispanic who does agree with the statement an Uncle Tom, I wasn't surprised nor would I care if he has an unfavorable view of me. I'm focusing on what he DID, not whether or not he liked me.

I'm not sure what post you just read. But good luck next year!

[Ryan Dognaux]

Originally Posted by JamalBendkowski

"I'm smugly disagreeing with you."

I'm smugly disagreeing with you.

If you have time to try and further a political belief at an FRC event, you clearly aren't busy enough and should focus on doing more for your team. Just sayin.

[JamalBendkowski]

Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux

I'm smugly disagreeing with you.

If you have time to try and further a political belief at an FRC event, you clearly aren't busy enough and should focus on doing more for your team. Just sayin.

You think that the 5 seconds it took me to put on a pair of flip flops should've been dedicated to my team? OK, I'll spend a bit more time working on the robot next build season.

[messer5740]

Originally Posted by Michael Hill

FYI, free speech in the U.S. just means you won't be prosecuted for what you say*. It doesn't mean people have to agree with you or even tolerate you. HTH.

Hey Inovators Robotics we go to the Pittsburgh Regional together