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Re: Error bar of OPR in Stronghold

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Plus or minus the some of the OPRs below zero gives you a good idea of the margin of error for lower levels of play.
I would be cautious about using this as a means of assessing error. It shouldn't be assumed that negative OPR indicates error. There are valid reasons for having a negative OPR: it means that, on average, that team causes their alliance partners to score worse than they otherwise have. This is especially likely during low levels of play, while drive teams are more clumsy and still learning how to stay out of partners' ways.

The consequence of negative OPR was more obvious last year, when it possible to undo any teleop scoring attempt up until the last second of the game by knocking over stacks, but it is mathematically sound for it to happen this year as well. Teams can end up with a negative OPR this year by being in the way of their partners' scoring attempts without scoring much themselves.

For example, say there's a team that doesn't score much and has a propensity for getting stuck under the low bar. Many teams use the low bar to quickly cycle and score goals. This team may prevent their partners from doing so, and from finishing damaging the low goal. If they score very little and this happens often enough with enough low bar cycler partners, there OPR will become a (deserved) negative number, because they contribute negatively to their scores.
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Re: Error bar of OPR in Stronghold

I should define "error bar". In this context I mean error bar to mean when comparing two robots, Robot A with an OPR of X and Robot B with an OPR of X+Y - what does Y have to be to reasonable confident that B will be a better robot in it's next match (assuming both robots run).


Thanks for the pointer to lasts years thread. Now I have some reading to do.
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Re: Error bar of OPR in Stronghold

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I would be cautious about using this as a means of assessing error. It shouldn't be assumed that negative OPR indicates error. There are valid reasons for having a negative OPR...
I definitely agree there are valid reasons for having OPRs below 0. I don't think most teams with OPRs below 0 are actually contributing negatively to their alliance. When I said plus or minus some of the OPRs below zero, I meant one of but not the lowest OPR below zero in a larger data set. When I said I was making some not so great assumptions, this was one of them. My bad for not clarifying.
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