Go to Post So we get to hear the likes of Copioli, Baker and Patton yuk it up? This should be good. - Ricky Q. [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-09-2016, 08:30
techhelpbb's Avatar
techhelpbb techhelpbb is offline
Registered User
FRC #0011 (MORT - Team 11)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Rookie Year: 1997
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,620
techhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Personal Fabrication Tools

Quote:
Originally Posted by philso View Post
It seems that you have acquired even more tools since the last time I said that you give me "shop envy"

Your girlfriend IS extremely cool. Hang on to her.

How well does the LPKF work?
I can usually put a trace between 2 through-hole pads on 0.100" centers with a properly installed new contouring tool. With some calibration they both hold 0.001" repeatable accuracy with incidental accuracy of 0.0001". Depending on the PCB material, quality of contour tool and my patience at setup I can make 0.001" traces. These do not have ATC so all tool changes are basically the user's headache. I have the pneumatic SMT paste dispensor attachments for both. I usually do through via with either a short wire, a press copper barrel, or a blob of silver paste from the dispensor (through-holes are usually plated and I do not like the chemicals around my house). I can do multi-layer by stacking thin copper clad and soldering through or using paste. These machines make it easy to test things at 3AM.

I recently did an RF board with a network analyzer as an accessory. Basically setup the process with short connectors on one end of the PCB then: cut, test, repeat till the PCB traces had the desired RF characteristics. Mostly because I wanted to see if I could make that work and it did: I made tuned traces, inductors, and even a really tiny value capacitor which was just a test. (Capacitors like this are usually sub-picoFarad and since the PCB is unsealed and composite PCB material absorbs moisture the value changes).

I have also cut thin stencils so I could screen print UV cure solder mask onto PCB. This is handy when I need to solder something where paste alone would migrate. I use my UV lamp box for curing that resin. My UV lamp box is a storage shelf with a wooden enclosure I made, a thermometer and a timer to run the bulbs. My solder oven is an old kitchen convection oven with better controls I made. My PCB cleaner is either my Chinese ultrasonic tank or the dish washer with a waste bucket to keep stuff out of the septic. (Keep in mind almost all commodity trading on Earth went through a system I made that was soldered in a toaster oven and cleaned in a dish washer. Those boards are 25 years old and still fully operational, even over-clocked by a few MHz. A little ingenuity and some testing saved me a ton of cost on an oven and cleaner.)

Last edited by techhelpbb : 28-09-2016 at 09:07.
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-09-2016, 09:00
philso philso is offline
Mentor
FRC #2587
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Houston, Tx
Posts: 938
philso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond reputephilso has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Personal Fabrication Tools

Quote:
Originally Posted by techhelpbb View Post
I can usually put a trace between 2 through-hole pads on 0.100" centers with a properly installed new contouring tool. With some calibration they both hold 0.001" repeatable accuracy with incidental accuracy of 0.0001". Depending on the PCB material, quality of contour tool and my patience at setup I can make 0.001" traces. These do not have ATC so all tool changes are basically the user's headache. I have the pneumatic SMT paste dispensor attachments for both. I usually do through via with either a short wire, a press copper barrel, or a blob of silver paste from the dispensor (through holes are usually plated and I do not like the chemicals around my house). I can do multi-layer by stacking thin copper clad and soldering through or using paste. These machines make it easy to test things at 3AM.

I recently did an RF board with a network analyzer as an accessory. Basically setup the process with short connectors on one end of the PCB then: cut, test, repeat till the PCB traces had the desired RF characteristics. Mostly because I wanted to see if I could make that work and it did: I made tuned traces, inductors, and even a really tiny value capacitor which was just a test. (Capacitors like this are usually sub-picoFarad and since the PCB is unsealed and composite PCB material absorbs moisture the value changes).
It sounds like LPKF have improved their machine and processes. We had one where I worked 20 years ago that just sat in the corner because it didn't work well and made a lot of hazardous dust.

Your day job sounds fascinating.
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-09-2016, 09:13
techhelpbb's Avatar
techhelpbb techhelpbb is offline
Registered User
FRC #0011 (MORT - Team 11)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Rookie Year: 1997
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,620
techhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Personal Fabrication Tools

Quote:
Originally Posted by philso View Post
It sounds like LPKF have improved their machine and processes. We had one where I worked 20 years ago that just sat in the corner because it didn't work well and made a lot of hazardous dust.

Your day job sounds fascinating.
I have 2 professional HEPA filtered vacuums powered on by solid state relays to collect the dust. I would not recommend operating either machine without them. They each sit on a short computer cabinet with casters and inside a wooden box with Lexan panels enclosing it. This way anything that does not go up the vacuum is contained. Could send a picture if you like.

My day job is I do core engineering for an International bank I own a part of in Puerto Rico. We do BitCoin/Ethereum and other bleeding edge financial technology. Mostly writing Java/Python/Ruby code. I no longer make weapon systems or manufacture professionally. I got out of weapons because I prefer to make defensive systems and the money was offensive systems. I got out of manufacturing because I could never afford all these tools on the cost my customers were willing to pay (always in need, never sufficiently enriched). I only rebuilt my tooling capacity as a hedge against a throw-away society. All this junk we buy makes us more dependent on the few people willing to make it for the lowest bid. Experience has shown me that sort of dependence does not cause innovation to thrive. So I rebuilt my capacity to insure if crisis comes I was ready to move, plus this stuff is used so I need runway to get it working as desired.

(Long timers on this forum might note that I change jobs often. I do so because I get good money and opportunity each time. My base salary has increased by $100k in 5 years, and I have had as many as a few hundred reports as manager. If I can not get compensated at market rate I may take risk and move. To put that in perspective I worked 1,500 hours of 'over time' last year.)

Last edited by techhelpbb : 28-09-2016 at 10:18.
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-09-2016, 10:29
MrForbes's Avatar
MrForbes MrForbes is offline
Registered User
AKA: Jim
FRC #1726 (N.E.R.D.S.)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Sierra Vista AZ
Posts: 5,955
MrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond reputeMrForbes has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Personal Fabrication Tools

I tried taking the survey, but the second question did not have a viable answer among the choices.

(I chose "none" for the answer for the first question)
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-09-2016, 11:59
bkahl's Avatar
bkahl bkahl is offline
Make Champs Great Again
AKA: Bailey Kahl
FRC #0125 (NUTRONS)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Rookie Year: 2013
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 462
bkahl has a reputation beyond reputebkahl has a reputation beyond reputebkahl has a reputation beyond reputebkahl has a reputation beyond reputebkahl has a reputation beyond reputebkahl has a reputation beyond reputebkahl has a reputation beyond reputebkahl has a reputation beyond reputebkahl has a reputation beyond reputebkahl has a reputation beyond reputebkahl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Personal Fabrication Tools

__________________
Team 125
College Student/Whatever Brando says
Team 195
Alumni
Facebook
EWCP
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 28-09-2016, 12:06
techhelpbb's Avatar
techhelpbb techhelpbb is offline
Registered User
FRC #0011 (MORT - Team 11)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Rookie Year: 1997
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,620
techhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond reputetechhelpbb has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Personal Fabrication Tools

Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahl View Post
Hey, lol, if you can not pat yourself on the back...do not expect anyone else to do it for you then wonder why they do not. What matters is you get through the day and do what you can. Haters gonna hate.

Last edited by techhelpbb : 28-09-2016 at 12:13.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 20:15.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi