Dream Alliance of Stronghold

[TDav540]

Any combination of 254, 1678, 971, 148, 2056, and 195. Arguably, you could include 987, 330, and 1241 as well.

[346CADmen]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

I get it. Only dyslexia stood in your way.

And the unwritten rules. It was the 1, 3, 7 team I actually did dream about.

[Kevin Leonard]

A stronghold dream alliance would have to:
Have three robots with high throughput in the high goal, preferably difficult to defend and shooting from different locations.
Have three climbs that can climb simultaneously.
Have as many balls in autonomous as possible without requiring the same field space.

971, 254, 1678, and 195 were the most proven 2 ball autonomous modes, but 1678, 971 and 195 all usually use the low bar. In addition, 195 and 254 have low release points, and defense can impact their scoring more than, for example, 971 and 1678. Additionally, how much these team's climbs would interfere with one another is a question. As a result, I might substitute 148 in for one of the three teams instead.

Something like 971-254-148 or 971-1678-148. But really you could argue for any combination of these teams.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

A stronghold dream alliance would have to:
Have three robots with high throughput in the high goal, preferably difficult to defend and shooting from different locations.
Have three climbs that can climb simultaneously.
Have as many balls in autonomous as possible without requiring the same field space.

971, 254, 1678, and 195 were the most proven 2 ball autonomous modes, but 1678, 971 and 195 all usually use the low bar. In addition, 195 and 254 have low release points, and defense can impact their scoring more than, for example, 971 and 1678. Additionally, how much these team's climbs would interfere with one another is a question. As a result, I might substitute 148 in for one of the three teams instead.

Something like 971-254-148 or 971-1678-148. But really you could argue for any combination of these teams.

Most two ball auto teams "usually" run it under the low bar, that's just the nature of the in season rules on two ball autos and consistency.

If you sub out a 2 ball auto for a third hang, you're getting the same result in terms of points on the board. So the best possible alliance needs more than 1 2 ball auto I think; a third hang only if possible.

I think you have to include 195, because their scoring volume at their peak and the consistency of their two ball are IMO the best in the world. They can have the low bar.

971 I believe has 2 ball options from other than the low bar, so they can be robot 2. They do plenty of secret passage sniping and crossing defenses to score. Perhaps 254 is a better choice here with more 2 ball options, but I think 971 at their peak could potentially outdo them.

From there you just want a robot with absolute consistency and high goal scoring. I think 2056 can manage that ever so slightly better than 148 can, but it's close enough that I'd need to look at real data to tell the difference.

It's more than possible that 971 and 195 would have such good ball control and quickness in scoring, that their scoring would be ball-limited and not robot-limited, in which case a third compatible hang is more important than absolute ball scoring ability, so that brings you back to 148 as the best team that does that style of hang. 330 is also an option, but their 1 ball auto isn't as consistent.

[D.Allred]

2056, 118, and 971

70 point auto
Compatible, fast triple scale
Flexible shooting positions
Can shoot over blockers or at batter

[dmorewood]

Originally Posted by dirtbikerxz

1678, 254, 971

With all three bots doing a 2 ball auto. (Low bar, rockwall/rough terrain, moat).

And all three bots can hang (if 254's hanger doesn't break)

971 and 1678 are phenomenal shooters, with 254 close behind.

I could easily see these teams having a over 300 point match.

Yes but 1678 never successfully hung while at champs.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by dmorewood

Yes but 1678 never successfully hung while at champs.

Yes, they did.

Here's just one of several instances
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2016hop_sf1m1

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by dmorewood

Yes but 1678 never successfully hung while at champs.

Uhhhh...that's not true. They did miss a couple late on Einstein but they did hang plenty of times.

[bkahl]

Originally Posted by dmorewood

Yes but 1678 never successfully hung while at champs.

...

[Rachel Lim]

Originally Posted by jajabinx124

My dream alliance has always been the palindrome alliance of 2502, 525, and 2052 at the 10k regional.. I've yet to see my dream come true.

I was going on about palindrome alliances at Chezy Champs for quite a long time. It's nice to know I'm not the only one into this.

Other alliances from common number series / number patterns:

Perfect cubes:
27, 125, 343

Palindrome alliance:
971 696 179

Palindrome teams:
343 545 696

Fibonacci sequence:
233, 610, 987

Hexagonal numbers:
120, 190, 2415

Emirps:
359, 971, 1619

Semiprimes:
254, 1678, 1114

[FrisbeeFunTime]

The New England dream alliance would be 195, 1768, 1519, and 125. Of course this would be a champs style alliance because of the 4 teams but whatever.

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by FrisbeeFunTime

The New England dream alliance would be 195, 1768, 1519, and 125. Of course this would be a champs style alliance because of the 4 teams but whatever.

Any NE alliance needs to have 133 in it. 2nd best team behind 195 in the region.

[FrisbeeFunTime]

Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell

Any NE alliance needs to have 133 in it. 2nd best team behind 195 in the region.

How could I forget 133. Shame on me. While at it 1058 also. I forgot about them too. Oops, my bad.

[M217]

Originally Posted by jajabinx124

My dream alliance has always been the palindrome alliance of 2502, 525, and 2052 at the 10k regional.. I've yet to see my dream come true.

Other teams'd have to have some pretty terrible scouts to let this happen...

[Caleb Sykes]

Originally Posted by M217

Other teams'd have to have some pretty terrible scouts to let this happen...

It might have been closer than you think. 2502 had a really rough time at 10K this year, we had them ranked 23rd according to our scouting data until their last match.

If that match hadn't happened, we and many others likely wouldn't have selected them even if they had been available on the back end of the draft.