2017 New York Regionals

[Jeanne Boyarsky]

Originally Posted by Bluman56

I figured something along those lines was going on (hence the benefit of the doubt). I just didn't want to get myself too excited for a 34 team event (that would've meant 50% more matches at least!!). Looking forward to see how it eventually plays out.

It's a safe bet that the target number is somewhere between 34 and 60 . It's a good amount less than 60 so closer to the 34 end than the 60 end...

bdaroz: It's still early so I don't think anyone knows yet. (I"m on the planning committee for the NYC regional. I didn't attend the summer meeting though which is why I don't know the final decision on the target number of teams).

[bdaroz]

Numbers are Current Total/Current Capacity/2016 Final Capacity

Event            Capacity
Buckeye          31/50/58
Montreal         40/40/50
Finger Lakes     23/40/50
Pittsburgh       29/29/52
Hudson Valley    06/24/??
New York City    34/34/??
Tech Valley      18/21/36
Long Island      50/50/51

Quick update on capacity as we approach 1 week out from 2nd reg.

[Brian Maher]

Originally Posted by bdaroz

Numbers are Current Total/Current Capacity/2016 Final Capacity

Event            Capacity
Buckeye          31/50/58
Montreal         40/40/50
Finger Lakes     23/40/50
Pittsburgh       29/29/52
Hudson Valley    06/24/??
New York City    34/34/??
Tech Valley 18/21/36
Long Island      50/50/51

Quick update on capacity as we approach 1 week out from 2nd reg.

Normalizing with respect to the 2016 Final Capacity:

Event            Capacity
Buckeye          53% / 86% / 100%
Montreal         80% / 80% / 100%
Finger Lakes     46% / 80% / 100%
Pittsburgh       56% / 56% / 100%
Tech Valley       50% / 58% / 100%
Long Island      98% / 98% / 100%

I think it's really interesting how low the initial cap for TVR is. Maybe this is to keep spots open for local teams who have to register for another regional first in order to get a second play in NY. Then again, I don't have data on how it has been in the past, so for all I know it could be like this every year.

[Mark McLeod]

Here's last season's filling rate for comparison.

[Conor Ryan]

Originally Posted by bdaroz

Numbers are Current Total/Current Capacity/2016 Final Capacity

Event            Capacity
Buckeye          31/50/58
Montreal         40/40/50
Finger Lakes     23/40/50
Pittsburgh       29/29/52
Hudson Valley    06/24/??
New York City    34/34/??
Tech Valley      18/21/36
Long Island      50/50/51

Quick update on capacity as we approach 1 week out from 2nd reg.

I'm not too surprised with out the NY Regionals filled out. It will be interesting to see how the capacity of NYC and HVR play out. HVR is a 90,000 sq ft facility. Here is a picture.

The Armory is considerable smaller, at 66,000 sq ft.... About the size as most district events.

It looks similar to the layout of the Smoky Mountain Regional at the Knoxville Convention center (they use both halls). I think it can end up with 42-48 teams.

[smistthegreat]

Originally Posted by Brian Maher

I think it's really interesting how low the initial cap for TVR is. Maybe this is to keep spots open for local teams who have to register for another regional first in order to get a second play in NY. Then again, I don't have data on how it has been in the past, so for all I know it could be like this every year.

I think the low initial cap has more to do with making sure teams get a first event, not a second. With Long Island already at last year's capacity and the new NYC venue being smaller, there are still 23 teams from downstate (NYC, LI, and immediate environs) that competed last year that have not registered for an event this year. A few of these teams could just be dropping out of FRC for unrelated reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these teams are on the NYC waitlist right now and will end up at HVR for their only event.

Here's the full list of teams from NY that competed in 2016 that aren't registered for this year yet:

 73	'Monroe'
335	'Kings'
375	'Richmond'
640	'Queens'
743	'Bronx'
1230	'Bronx'
1396	'Richmond'
1546	'Nassau'
2027	'Nassau'
2344	'Westchester'
2347	'Suffolk'
2487	'Suffolk'
2895	'Queens'
3004	'Bronx'
3053	'Queens'
3204	'Queens'
3760	'Bronx'
4012	'Richmond'
4093	'Orleans'
4263	'New York'
4640	'New York'
4773	'Bronx'
5298	'Queens'
5433	'Monroe'
5955	'Suffolk'
6195	'Kings'

(any errors are my own, please let me know if I have anything wrong)

[Mark McLeod]

Yea, we have five late registering teams on Long Island that will have difficulty finding a place to play.
Some are short the 2nd coach to serve as an Alternate Contact for YPP purposes and aren't allowed to register until they get one.

[Conor Ryan]

Originally Posted by smistthegreat

I think the low initial cap has more to do with making sure teams get a first event, not a second. With Long Island already at last year's capacity and the new NYC venue being smaller, there are still 23 teams from downstate (NYC, LI, and immediate environs) that competed last year that have not registered for an event this year. A few of these teams could just be dropping out of FRC for unrelated reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these teams are on the NYC waitlist right now and will end up at HVR for their only event.

Here's the full list of teams from NY that competed in 2016 that aren't registered for this year yet:

 73	'Monroe'
335	'Kings'
375	'Richmond'
640	'Queens'
743	'Bronx'
1230	'Bronx'
1396	'Richmond'
1546	'Nassau'
2027	'Nassau'
2344	'Westchester'
2347	'Suffolk'
2487	'Suffolk'
2895	'Queens'
3004	'Bronx'
3053	'Queens'
3204	'Queens'
3760	'Bronx'
4012	'Richmond'
4093	'Orleans'
4263	'New York'
4640	'New York'
4773	'Bronx'
5298	'Queens'
5433	'Monroe'
5955	'Suffolk'
6195	'Kings'

(any errors are my own, please let me know if I have anything wrong)

There are also a number of international teams that typically call NYC home that are also missing from registration this year. The Javits center change is taking a toll on a number of growing locations.

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by Conor Ryan

There are also a number of international teams that typically call NYC home that are also missing from registration this year. The Javits center change is taking a toll on a number of growing locations.

1884 and 1797 (a team who has called NYC home for quite a while now) is going to the Shenzhen regional instead. That new regional provides an interesting alternative for European teams.

[jayred1127]

Good to hear our friends 1884 and 1797 found a new Regional.They will be missed. It is interesting though that some rookie teams from turkey signed up for the NYC Regional. Hopefully that means we will have enough space for everyone. If not its kinda messed up that international teams got spots over struggling local teams.

[Bluman56]

Originally Posted by jayred1127

Good to hear our friends 1884 and 1797 found a new Regional.They will be missed. It is interesting though that some rookie teams from turkey signed up for the NYC Regional. Hopefully that means we will have enough space for everyone. If not its kinda messed up that international teams got spots over struggling local teams.

I'm also confused by the rookie team from Shanghai choosing a 14 hour flight to NYC over a 2 hour flight to Shenzhen... I imagine they know what they're doing though.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Bluman56

I'm also confused by the rookie team from Shanghai choosing a 14 hour flight to NYC over a 2 hour flight to Shenzhen... I imagine they know what they're doing though.

If they're doing both events, they definitely know what they are doing by signing up for NYC first!

[Jeanne Boyarsky]

fyi - The NYC FIRST site now describes the event on the home page as:

FIRST® Robotics Competition
Saturday, April 8 & Sunday, April 9
An exciting sports-like tournament with 48 competing high school teams of future technologists and entrepreneurs.

[Bluman56]

Originally Posted by Jeanne Boyarsky

fyi - The NYC FIRST site now describes the event on the home page as:

Beat me to the punch. Spotted it earlier today and got distracted with work. Excited to see NYC become a regular sized regional now

(WOOHOO More matches!)

[Brian Maher]

The Hudson Valley Regional will host at least 46 teams.