[FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by Brian Maher

Well, that's a questionable decision, even by my standards.

Originally Posted by TDav540

But like.....why?

They did it in exchange for a hug.

[Bkeeneykid]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

They did it in exchange for a hug.

SEVERAL hugs. To be exchanged at North champs. And maybe a favor later, idk.

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by Bkeeneykid

SEVERAL hugs. To be exchanged at North champs. And maybe a favor later, idk.

As you can see we are still working on the full terms of the trade.

[BrennanB]

This just seems like two teams collaborating and shoving all the good picks/pick slots into one team to win. Trading obviously inferior pick position for a... hug? Cmon man.

[TDav540]

Originally Posted by BrennanB

This just seems like two teams collaborating and shoving all the good picks/pick slots into one team to win.

That's just what we were thinking.

[Harrison.Smith]

Originally Posted by BrennanB

This just seems like two teams collaborating and shoving all the good picks/pick slots into one team to win. Trading obviously inferior pick position for a... hug? Cmon man.

I wish we were.

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by BrennanB

This just seems like two teams collaborating and shoving all the good picks/pick slots into one team to win. Trading obviously inferior pick position for a... hug? Cmon man.

They are pretty good hugs.

[JosephC]

Alright guys, we changed the way we do pick order so that it would be balanced evently(we had more than a full pick position below the mean last year). Why would we just randomly start switching pick orders around?(This is the first year in the 4 years I've been doing this that this has happened)

It was just a whatever and a slight hassle for me as a draft runner for the first couple, but now things are getting out of hand.

#1 - Swapping #5 straight for #7? Come on, that solely benefits one team and hurts the other. It's basically pooling picks into one team.

#2- And this is what really gets me. As per THIS post, TRF would pick that nights picks for F3, in exchange for a swap of 27 and 2883. So the 7th picking team ends up with a first pick, in exchange for doing someone else's draft? How is that fair for the rest of the teams playing? Here's the kicker, the deal was supposed to mean that "niklas674" would make the picks for F3 at Arizona North. This didn't even happen. F3 proceeded to make their own picks during the duration of the entire draft.


So what does this mean? It means The Regal Falcons have effectively had THREE first picks, while the rest of the teams have only received ONE. It means, malicious or not, one team has effectively gained a draft position advantage over every other team in the league, this is the sole reason we changed how draft orders are done.

My proposal is a simple one. Ban draft position trades, ban allowing non-team members to make picks for you, revoke the 27 and 2883 trade, and just use the completely 100% fair system the way its supposed to be used.

As for the #5 for #7 trade, even if Eric decides he doesn't wanna do the above, I'll quit if it goes through.

[Bkeeneykid]

Originally Posted by JosephC

Alright guys, we changed the way we do pick order so that it would be balanced evently(we had more than a full pick position below the mean last year). Why would we just randomly start switching pick orders around?(This is the first year in the 4 years I've been doing this that this has happened)

It was just a whatever and a slight hassle for me as a draft runner for the first couple, but now things are getting out of hand.

#1 - Swapping #5 straight for #7? Come on, that solely benefits one team and hurts the other. It's basically pooling picks into one team.

#2- And this is what really gets me. As per THIS post, TRF would pick that nights picks for F3, in exchange for a swap of 27 and 2883. So the 7th picking team ends up with a first pick, in exchange for doing someone else's draft? How is that fair for the rest of the teams playing? Here's the kicker, the deal was supposed to mean that "niklas674" would make the picks for F3 at Arizona North. This didn't even happen. F3 proceeded to make their own picks during the duration of the entire draft.


So what does this mean? It means The Regal Falcons have effectively had THREE first picks, while the rest of the teams have only received ONE. It means, malicious or not, one team has effectively gained a draft position advantage over every other team in the league, this is the sole reason we changed how draft orders are done.

My proposal is a simple one. Ban draft position trades, ban allowing non-team members to make picks for you, revoke the 27 and 2883 trade, and just use the completely 100% fair system the way its supposed to be used.

As for the #5 for #7 trade, even if Eric decides he doesn't wanna do the above, I'll quit if it goes through.

What you didn't see is that we were talking to Regal Falcons all throughout that post. Our automated draft system was immobilized due to some heavy debugging earlier that day causing us to exceed our Google API calls for that day. That meant we had no draft list. The Regal Falcons basically saved us from having to go full random. They supplied us a rudimentary pick list, mainly from niklas674. In the end, he still made our drafts even if we were the ones posting in the forum. Due to family stuff, we didn't know if either of us were actually going to be available during the draft to relay these, so we just gave it to them.

Also, see Adi's post for the explanation of the other. Frankly, we screwed up. In a lot of ways. For both of us.

[JosephC]

Originally Posted by Bkeeneykid

What you didn't see is that we were talking to Regal Falcons all throughout that post. Our automated draft system was immobilized due to some heavy debugging earlier that day causing us to exceed our Google API calls for that day. That meant we had no draft list. The Regal Falcons basically saved us from having to go full random. They supplied us a rudimentary pick list, mainly from niklas674. In the end, he still made our drafts even if we were the ones posting in the forum. Due to family stuff, we didn't know if either of us were actually going to be available during the draft to relay these, so we just gave it to them.

Also, see Adi's post for the explanation of the other. Frankly, we screwed up. In a lot of ways. For both of us.

You had an hour to manually make a pick list, the same way TBC has been doing it in an hour for 3 years. See my explanation above for the rest.

[Adisai1]

The whole trade was really messed up. I was the only member of F3 online and a member of The Regal Falcons proposed the trade. Before they finished the proposal I agreed. They didn't think this was out of the ordinary as they assumed it was a gift for us helping them out in a tough situation yesterday.

[JosephC]

Originally Posted by Adisai1

The whole trade was really messed up. I was the only member of F3 online and a member of The Regal Falcons proposed the trade. Before they finished the proposal I agreed. They didn't think this was out of the ordinary as they assumed it was a gift for us helping them out in a tough situation yesterday.

Here's the thing, teams are not supposed to help other teams, at least not to the extent you guys have. Sure, I've pinged people before on facebook when their pick is coming up when they've forgotten, but that's just good sportsmanship(I do it as a draft runner too if I have you added). What's not okay is teams making picks for teams in exchange for superior advantages, trading picks for advantages, etc.

This is a competition. Its one team vs the rest. It's not two teams helping each other other constantly vs the rest. It's not fair for any other team in the competition that you guys are doing this.

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by JosephC

Here's the thing, teams are not supposed to help other teams, at least not to the extent you guys have. Sure, I've pinged people before on facebook when their pick is coming up when they've forgotten, but that's just good sportsmanship(I do it as a draft runner too if I have you added). What's not okay is teams making picks for teams in exchange for superior advantages, trading picks for advantages, etc.

This is a competition. Its one team vs the rest. It's not two teams helping each other other constantly vs the rest. It's not fair for any other team in the competition that you guys are doing this.

Sorry we assumed ff also followed the spirit of FIRST.

[JosephC]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

Sorry we assumed ff also followed the spirit of FIRST.

If it was in the spirit of FIRST, you would for just helped them, not traded a pick for an advantage.

[JosephC]

Let me put it this way in FRC terms. #4 seed talking to #5 seed. #5 seed - "We'll give you our picklist if you skip over picking team X so we can have them instead"

That's basically whats happening here. Helping one team is one thing. You wanna give them a pick list? Sure. There's no advantage for anyone, its the same as if they made their own picklist. Trading that picklist for a better team? It's advantageous vs other teams not involved. There's nothing the other teams can do about it.

You can't apply it to FRC the same way. Sure, help someone build their robot for your alliance, its the same as if you just picked a better team or they had a better robot. Teams can combat this by building a better robot for themselves, there is counterplay, its doesn't really give someone a large advantage over anyone else.

What can I do to combat your 3 first picks? pick better teams? thats reliant on my pick position, I can't force myself to get more #1 picks.