[FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST

[JosephC]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

I only count 2 first picks. Trading the 2nd first pick team was worth it to them as without us they were just picking random. What we did was entirely within the rules and we shouldn't be penalized for it. If because of this you want rule. Changes I understand. But what has been done is done.

#1 - your standard FP, South Florida
#2 - traded first pick, Arizona North
#3 - 27 for 2883(27 was first picked at the event), Northern Lights

I have no problem with the Arizona North pick, theres nothing against it in the rules, and it was a fair trade, and of course I have nothing against your standard first pick at South Florida.

I mostly have a problem with the 27 for 2883 trade. If this was really about GP, as has been posted above, you would of helped them with no reward. Helping them for a reward isn't GP, thats just helping yourself out.

Edit - I also have no problem with you providing them a picklist or picking for them, just the trade at Northern Lights and the #5 for #7 trade.

[BrennanB]

Originally Posted by TDav540

I think it is possible to abuse this, but it makes it significantly more difficult to do so if it's screened by a consistent, reliable source (say, Eric, or a nine member committee, one from every team).

However, based on recent events, I am fine with suspending draft pick trades (or all trades for that matter) until we have a reasonable screening process agreed to by everyone.

The problem is it's too hard to moderate. I want to draft slots in-head of the strong teams and behind a lot of weak teams. I get to steal all the good teams from the teams that are weaker and make sub par picks.

[Sperkowsky]

Originally Posted by JosephC

#1 - your standard FP, South Florida
#2 - traded first pick, Arizona North
#3 - 27 for 2883(27 was first picked at the event), Northern Lights

I have no problem with the Arizona North pick, theres nothing against it in the rules, and it was a fair trade, and of course I have nothing against your standard first pick at South Florida.

I mostly have a problem with the 27 for 2883 trade. If this was really about GP, as has been posted above, you would of helped them with no reward. Helping them for a reward isn't GP, thats just helping yourself out.

What's wrong with helping ourselves out if it's within the rules? We also helped them.

We are playing to win. If anything in the past is changed then FF is being rigged in favor of everyone but us. We are not against banning pick position trades but changing the past because one team was able to use the system to its advantage isnt fair.

[TDav540]

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky

What's wrong with helping ourselves out if it's within the rules? We also helped them.

They might as well have randomed and would probably have gotten just as good if not better results. I'd say that isn't helping, that's extortion at best and collusion at worst.

[niklas674]

Originally Posted by TDav540

They might as well have randomed and would probably have gotten just as good if not better results. I'd say that isn't helping, that's extortion at best and collusion at worst.

I told them those picks based off of my past experiences which is how I've drafted other teams. There was no harmful intent there, just picks that I felt to be good based upon how they had done at events that I have seen.

[Harrison.Smith]

Originally Posted by TDav540

They might as well have randomed and would probably have gotten just as good if not better results. I'd say that isn't helping, that's extortion at best and collusion at worst.

Just to be clear, I ran the selection of teams at Hub City past Devin and Adi. To avoid further confusion I believe that is why allowed me to post their picks.

[JosephC]

We've never had to make rules like this before because nobody has tried to game the system for an unfair advantage. You guys would be the first. If you really want to be within the spirit of first and follow GP, you'd realize you messed up, revoke the #5 for #7, trade back 27 and 2883, and carry on with your lives. (Unless of course you think you can't win without them )

Nothing else to say on the topic, waiting for Eric now.

[MARS_James]

Been doing this a long time, and with the implementation of the set draft schedule I am personally ok with people trading draft slots, yes it made it a headache when I ran the draft but it is no different then if the teams effectively said instead, ok we will pick X when our draft comes up if you pick Y for us. And then just traded the teams after (which has always been ok). With the set schedule it makes it easier to trade drafting slots because you know what another team is going to have. I actually have done this in Fantasy Football, and do not see a problem with it so long as these are kept track of (ie there is a section on the draft google doc that is documenting all these trades to just make sure they are staying relatively even.) and if the commissioner feels that someone(s) is utilizing this to get an unfair advantage he can put the kibosh to it.

I actually like the trading slots more so then the just pre-picking who you are going to trade for, as it involves less colluding. Plus I am interested in how this goes cause it could see an evolution to how we do the drafts..

Just my 2 cents take it for what it's worth.

[niklas674]

Originally Posted by JosephC

We've never had to make rules like this before because nobody has tried to game the system for an unfair advantage. You guys would be the first. If you really want to be within the spirit of first and follow GP, you'd realize you messed up, revoke the #5 for #7, trade back 27 and 2883, and carry on with your lives.

Nothing else to say on the topic, waiting for Eric now.

I'm perfectly fine trading back the San Diego pick, but the 27 trade went through and there was no backlash for it last night. I don't know what will happen, but I want to move on to the rest of the season.

[JosephC]

Originally Posted by niklas674

I'm perfectly fine trading back the San Diego pick, but the 27 trade went through and there was no backlash for it last night. I don't know what will happen, but I want to move on to the rest of the season.

I didn't even realize it went through until today, when you didn't make their picks for them I assumed the deal had been canceled, I was wrong.

[niklas674]

Originally Posted by JosephC

I didn't even realize it went through until today, when you didn't make their picks for them I assumed the deal had been canceled, I was wrong.

I had a family issue come up, therefore I was unable to call in the picks, but I made sure they had access to my picklist. (Which is being viewed as a bad picklist). As I've said I just want to get this whole ordeal over with so I can enjoy my first season of doing this.

[JosephC]

Originally Posted by niklas674

I had a family issue come up, therefore I was unable to call in the picks, but I made sure they had access to my picklist. (Which is being viewed as a bad picklist). As I've said I just want to get this whole ordeal over with so I can enjoy my first season of doing this.

As well, I just want a nice season of FF to compete against you guys square and fair, its just not so much the fair part right now.(We've been screwed over by draft position multiple years in a row now, and finally we got it to the point where all draft slots are even and rotated, except now its not so even anymore).

[BrennanB]

Originally Posted by niklas674

I had a family issue come up, therefore I was unable to call in the picks, but I made sure they had access to my picklist. (Which is being viewed as a bad picklist). As I've said I just want to get this whole ordeal over with so I can enjoy my first season of doing this.

No worries Niklas. Everybody has those kinds of things. And don't worry too much about "bad picklists" It's pretty subjective an team performance varies. Every system for measuring picklists that isn't your team's is going to undervalue your picklist.

I was concerned about the 27 pick prior. Didn't bring it up as it wasn't obvious that there was intentional lopsiding the picks. (No point in witch hunting) it was more the blatant swap for a worse pick position that made me bring it up. That clearly didn't have a morsel of fairness. I also think that the nonchalant "hug trading" got people on edge and was a poor taste of joke. We want to have fun and keep things fair for everyone of course!

James has bring up some great points. I just don't want this to be some super relegated league where nobody can have fun because there are so many rules about what you can and cannot do. This is for fun!

[niklas674]

Originally Posted by BrennanB

No worries Niklas. Everybody has those kinds of things. And don't worry too much about "bad picklists" It's pre subjective an team performance varies. Every system for measuring picklists that isn't your team is going to undervalue your picklist.

I was concerned about the 27 pick prior. Didn't bring it up as it wasn't obvious that there was intentional lopsiding the picks. (No point in witch hunting) it was more the blatant swap for a worse pick position that mad me bring it up. That clearly didn't have a morsel of fairness. I also think that the nonchalant "hug trading" got people on edge and was a poor taste of joke. We want to have fun and keep things fair for everyone of course!

James has bring up some great points. I just don't want this to be some super relegated league where nobody can have fun because there are so many rules about what you can and cannot do. This is for fun!

Thanks for the vode of confidence in regards to the pick list. The hugs were in bad taste. In regards to the San Diego trade I should've pushed to give more after it was accepted straight up, my mistake. To fix this mistake the 20th and 23rd pick have been added into the deal to make it fairer.

I've been having fun competing against all of the other teams and am glad that FF is here. Now let's go out and have a fair rest of the season in which the winners won fairly.

[MARS_James]

Originally Posted by niklas674

Thanks for the vode of confidence in regards to the pick list. The hugs were in bad taste. In regards to the San Diego trade I should've pushed to give more after it was accepted straight up, my mistake.
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Honestly just saying "A trade up in position during a future draft rotation yet to be determined" would have put everyone at ease.