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[FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
From http://www.firstinspires.org/robotic...ntation-reboot posted Dec 1 2016
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
I'm not sure what to think about this....
... no wait, I do. This is a *bad* idea. I think STIMS is great in comparison! I admit, there's some redundancy in the Admin (and to a lesser extent, Game) manual. There's some things that can be pulled (like "About FIRST"), but I, in no way shape or form, want to hunt around the FIRST website... somewhere... to get information on various awards, policies and the like, that was previously in the Admin manual and had a clear update-and-announce policy (Team Updates). Random "resources" and web pages on the FIRST site (nevermind finding them) can be changed and without notice, and frankly, it concerns me greatly. Finally, we lose the single-point-of-authority the information in the Admin manual had. We could print it, bring it with us, and it was dated at the bottom of every page. If we needed to reference it at competition, it was there, and we knew it was current. We didn't have to "build" our own. I really hope FIRST considers reversing this decision. --- Opinions are my own, and may not necessarily reflect my team. |
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
I am NOT clicking on the 2017 Game Manual link...
Last edited by Mark McLeod : 12-01-2016 at 03:24 PM. |
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
Yep, I don't like it. When the admin manual came out you knew these were the awards and rules for this year. Now we won't know for sure when they've settled on things for the upcoming year.
The Admin manual was especially helpful for a new team moderator. Having everything in one place was great. Someone took the time to figure out what was important for you to know. Now we'll have new moderators wandering around the FIRST website? That sounds like a bad idea. Any way to avoid using the FIRST website should be a priority. |
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
Naw, it's totally legit. Surprisingly, it's NOT a song by a man named Rick Astley.
It's far, far worse. |
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
I clicked the link...
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
I sent the following into FRCTeamAdvocate@usfirst.org :
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
I agree, this worries me as well. Not having accountability to some of these things worries me as a coach and a volunteer.
I would rather them have a permanent Admin manual that they just updated all the time instead relying on the website which has many issues. |
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
This feels like yet another disconnect between what FIRST feels about their website and the community at large think about it. I agree with everything that's been said above: while there are some benefits, the overall concerns and problems outweigh them by a significant margin.
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
There are a lot of things (event rule-wise) being integrated into the website that my team or teams I know have had to show to event volunteers in the past, as other posters noted I am worried that the website resources will be seen as less "HQ official" (also worried about having to use the FIRST website).
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
This makes total sense! The website is a great and well organized resource for people who are already actively engaged in FIRST.
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
I sent a rather long e-mail about this to FIRST... I think the effort was overall a good idea, but that the boundaries on what should and shouldn't be included in the manual weren't quite placed right. Some of the info that's been removed to only exist on the website makes sense - it's something that experienced teams already know and don't need to be retold again and again (like the definitions of GP and Coopertition). Other information maybe only applies to a small percentage of teams (like transportation exemption information), and those teams will seek the information out.
But other information applies to every team, and should be versioned and announced when updates happen. Like award information... Was it ever announced when the information for 2017 was available on the website? I checked through my e-mails from FIRST, and found one from 11/10 that said chairman's submissions were open and linked to the website, but going to the Chairman's section in the awards (which takes you to a page that includes all submitted awards) shows a date at the top of 11/23, and a date of 11/1/2016 under Updates... what do those dates mean? What updates were made on 11/1? |
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
Clicked it expecting the encrypted game manual was out... and was disappointed.
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Re: [FRC Blog] Documentation: Reboot
Something funny to note is that this post was originally listed under the Resource Library for some reason and they just moved it to the blog. Old link is dead.
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