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Re: [FRC Blog] 2017 Kit of Parts

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Re: [FRC Blog] 2017 Kit of Parts

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The small package could be our drive team buttons
You get a set of those for every event you attend. In the past they have not been provided in your KOP.
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Re: [FRC Blog] 2017 Kit of Parts

But this year, it's been announced that teams get buttons ahead of time. As the kits are more-or-less interchangeable between teams, and buttons with team-specific numbers on them are not, that seems likely to me the reason for it to be separate and not a part of the main kits. I'm guessing that the guess that the "very small item" is the set of buttons is right.

Of course, it could also mean that the "extra" 5th drive team member button is actually the game piece.
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Re: [FRC Blog] 2017 Kit of Parts

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I wouldn't read too much into that. It's lighter than last year's (AM14U3) by 3 lbs, but the 2016 KOP drive base was 4 lbs heavier than the 2015 KOP drive base (AM14U2), and the only substantial difference was the gear ratio and larger wheel size (there were some minor updates to the inner frame rail to accept more gearbox options). There may be some changes to it in 2017, but it also could be pretty much the same as the 2016 kit base, but with 4" wheels.

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2016 KOP Chassis (AM14U3) - 28 lbs
2017 KOP Chassis (???????) - 25 lbs
The weight difference between 4" plaction wheels with tread (0.55 pounds) and 6" plaction wheels with tread (0.84 pounds) is 0.29 pounds. With six wheels this means a 1.74 pound total weight difference.

AndyMark does not list the weight of the HiGrip wheels (which have been used on the KOP fro the past +3 years) on the website.
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But this year, it's been announced that teams get buttons ahead of time. As the kits are more-or-less interchangeable between teams, and buttons with team-specific numbers on them are not, that seems likely to me the reason for it to be separate and not a part of the main kits. I'm guessing that the guess that the "very small item" is the set of buttons is right.

Of course, it could also mean that the "extra" 5th drive team member button is actually the game piece.
There's nothing in that link that says we get them ahead of time. Just "Every team will be getting a set like this". We may get a set like that... during registration at our event. We might get it in the KoP. They might be mailed to us mid-season for all we know.
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But this year, it's been announced that teams get buttons ahead of time. As the kits are more-or-less interchangeable between teams, and buttons with team-specific numbers on them are not, that seems likely to me the reason for it to be separate and not a part of the main kits. I'm guessing that the guess that the "very small item" is the set of buttons is right.

Of course, it could also mean that the "extra" 5th drive team member button is actually the game piece.
I don't see where it is stated that teams get them ahead of time.

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Every team will be getting a set like this (with your own team number printed on them, of course).
Strictly, this says that each team only gets one set of buttons, but that might be too strict. This has no bearing on when the buttons are received.
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The weight difference between 4" plaction wheels with tread (0.55 pounds) and 6" plaction wheels with tread (0.84 pounds) is 0.29 pounds. With six wheels this means a 1.74 pound total weight difference.

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There's nothing in that link that says we get them ahead of time. Just "Every team will be getting a set like this". We may get a set like that... during registration at our event. We might get it in the KoP. They might be mailed to us mid-season for all we know.
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I don't see where it is stated that teams get them ahead of time.



Strictly, this says that each team only gets one set of buttons, but that might be too strict. This has no bearing on when the buttons are received.
I would lean towards Jon's interpretation that it's all very ambiguous at this point and we'll all just have to wait until Saturday to see.

That said that small package does tip the odds somewhat more towards us getting them ahead of time.
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Re: [FRC Blog] 2017 Kit of Parts

The description of the very small item is that it is one item (like the battery), not multiple items (like the 4 aluminum tubes from last year, or the totes). So, not a set of drive team buttons.
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The description of the very small item is that it is one item (like the battery), not multiple items (like the 4 aluminum tubes from last year, or the totes). So, not a set of drive team buttons.
Very good observation... not listed as a "set of items", but "one very small item".
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Very good observation... not listed as a "set of items", but "one very small item".
How are we going to keep track of which neutrino belongs to our team?
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The weight difference between 4" plaction wheels with tread (0.55 pounds) and 6" plaction wheels with tread (0.84 pounds) is 0.29 pounds. With six wheels this means a 1.74 pound total weight difference.
Of course you will not need wheels if it is an air game.
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one small item = drone
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So.. apart from the totes being a few pounds lighter or heavier, add one very small item. It must be a packet of instant steam!
Maybe instant snow?

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One set of items, collectively, 27 in. x 17 in. x 13 in., 50 lbs.

That's probably the tote

One set of items, collectively, 2 in. x 2 in. x 48 in., 5 lbs.

Aluminum tubes.

One item, 8 in. x 3 in. x 7 in., 14 lbs.

Battery

One very small item.

I have no clue what this could be, or why it can't go in the tote. Maybe the KOP is locked this year and this is the key?
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The predictions our team came up with were:

Regular Kit:
One set of items, collectively, 27 in. x 17 in. x 13 in., 50 lbs. = Tote
One set of items, collectively, 2 in. x 2 in. x 48 in., 5 lbs. = 4 aluminum tubes like last year
One item, 8 in. x 3 in. x 7 in., 14 lbs. = Battery
One very small item. = A button with Frank Merrick's face on it.

Rookie Kit:
One set of items, collectively, 27 in. x 17 in. x 13 in., 30 lbs. = Rookie Tote
One item, 8 in. x 3 in. x 7 in., 14 lbs. = Battery

Drive Base Kit:
One set of items, collectively, 7 in. x 7 in. x 34 in., 25 lbs. = Drive Base
These seem to be accurate. I thought the tubes could be part of a field element, but if they were in the Kit last year, probably not.

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At first glance the optimist would draw the conclusion that the small item was the game piece and would point towards the "coal" theory on game pieces (small and non-spherical). But I think it is unlikely they would pack a game piece outside of the tote, as the game piece is probably the first thing to be accounted for in terms of space in the tote.

I can hope though right? .
Maybe dice/a die? But they're pretty inexpensive, so why only send one? Game pieces last year became damaged from being shoved in the tote, so they might be outside of it this year.

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The small package could be our drive team buttons
My thoughts exactly, but as someone else said it is just one item...

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one small item = drone
Must be a small drone...

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Possibly, if it folds up tightly.

Maybe it's a battery for the minibot or a minibot kit?
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Starts off small until you fill it with H2, Imagine the fun it that. Just don't tell Al that we are using flammable materials.
The other option is hot air. No shortage in that.
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