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Scoring of rotors

If a team gets a rotor in autonomous, they will get 60 points. However, at the end of teleop, will the rotor get scored again for 40 points, for a total of 100? Or does the rotor only get the 60 points from auto?
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Auto Rotor Point Total?

The rules say that it is 60 points "for each rotor turning by period's T=0" in auto, and 40 points "for each rotor turning by period's T=0 in teleop. Does this mean that a rotor can/would count for 100 points as it would be rotating at the end of auto, and the end of teleop?

Example:
One rotor is turning by the end of auto = 60 points
Four rotors are turning by the end of teleop = 40 points/rotor = 160 points
60 points + 160 points = 220 rotor points

Maybe we're just missing something in the rules . . . Thanks FRC community!!
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Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?

What I got out of the video and of the rules is that you only get the points when the rotor was started initially (after 3 full rotations in the airship.)

Example:
You get one rotor activated in Autonomous= 60pts
-then there are only 3 rotors left x 40pts = 120pts (that's if you activate the rest during teleop.)

So in this case, the maximum points due to the rotors is 180pts (60 during autonomous, and 120 during Teleop.)

This is what I got out of it, please let me know if I am wrong
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Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?

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So in this case, the maximum points due to the rotors is 180pts (60 during autonomous, and 120 during Teleop.)
Why not 200, 120 during auto and 80 during teleop?
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Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?

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Why not 200, 120 during auto and 80 during teleop?
This is entirely possible, it just seems that people haven't considered it yet. Quite a big point bonus though, just needs every robot to do a gear.
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Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?

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Why not 200, 120 during auto and 80 during teleop?
It's definitely possible, but it requires all three robots to place a gear. I imagine that situation will be about as common as 70 point autos were for Stronghold.
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Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?

3.2.1, page 23, is pertinent.
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Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?

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It's definitely possible, but it requires all three robots to place a gear. I imagine that situation will be about as common as 70 point autos were for Stronghold.
I'm waiting for the multi gear auto modes from the elite teams a la 2011. Little more complicated since gears must be fully supported by the original robot.
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Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?

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Why not 200, 120 during auto and 80 during teleop?
Yes, this is very well possible. In the case that I said, the maximum point value is 180.

The only problem is how likely are there going to be three robots able to go to three serperate lifts and have enough time to get rotor 1 to turn? It would probably end up counting as a teleop rotor turn if it takes more than 15 seconds and only give you 40 points like I said in the first example. So it would equal out to the same amount of points either way.

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I'm waiting for the multi gear auto modes from the elite teams a la 2011. Little more complicated since gears must be fully supported by the original robot.
Hm. I hadn't really thought about that. I feel like having an auto that places a gear and scores the 10 pre-loaded fuel would be a more repeatable goal for the elite teams, but I guess we'll see.
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Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?

So are teams legally able to grab another gear during autonomous? We would love to put the first gear and then go backward to the loading station and grab another.
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Re: Scoring of rotors

Good question. I'm sure the answer is going to be, "However FMS is programmed to score it." And I'd guess it would be scored either 60 or 40, not both.

But if a ROTOR is turning at time T=0 of Auto, then it's also turning at time T=0 of Teleop. So technically it should count both, per Table 4.1. Unless FMS turns off any turning ROTOR at the end of Auto.

Q&A will be the only definitive answer.

Edit: I'm pretty sure it would have to be one or the other, not both. Else the FUEL scored in Auto would also count again in Teleop.
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So are teams legally able to grab another gear during autonomous? We would love to put the first gear and then go backward to the loading station and grab another.
the only legal source of another gear in auto is your alliance partners. if your partner can't score a gear, but can somehow transfer it to you, then you can potentially score it.

This will be tricky and unlikely, but not impossible.
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Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?

I think we'll see 120 pt. rotor scores in auto from some playoff alliances. Likely with each robot hanging a gear.
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Two similar threads merged, resulting in somewhat out of order posts.
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