Ranking Points in Steamworks unclear

[NathanStro]

On page 14 of the game manual, there are the guidelines for how to earn ranking points.

It states, "Alliances are seeded in the Qualification tournament using ranking points which are awarded based on a combination of their Win-Loss-Tie record (2 points for a win, 1 point for a tie), the number of times they reach a 40 kiloPascal (kPa) pressure threshold (1 point), and the number of times they start all rotors (1 point)."

I am very confused about the points for KiloPsacals. Does this state that every time you get 40 Kilopascals you get a ranking point or do you just get it the first time you get 40?

Thanks for the help in advance and good luck from team 5980!

[g_sawchuk]

It's a threshold, it's a value that you must surpass.

Although the STEAM TANK lights as described in Section 3.6 STEAM TANK have an upper limit to the
amount of Pressure they can display, there is no limit on the Pressure an ALLIANCE can accumulate.

Since there is no reset it seems clear to me that you can only achieve this RP once per match.

tldr; You just get a ranking point the first time you hit 40.

[NShep98]

D. Each Team on an ALLIANCE that achieves at least 40 kPa receives one (1) Ranking
Point

This makes it more clear that it is a one RP opportunity. I would be kind of concerned if it were more, because you could essentially ignore a win at that point.

[Cal578]

Table 4-1 says a team can only get one ranking point per match for pressure accumulation.

The only thing I'm not clear on (and this is only a corner case):
Table 4-1 says "If ALLIANCE exceeds a threshold pressure of 40 kPa".

Section 10.4.3-D says "Each Team on an ALLIANCE that achieves at least 40 kPa receives one (1) Ranking Point."
(bolding is my emphasis)

So, if the alliance gets exactly 40 kPa, do they get ranking points or not?

[KosmicKhaos]

I too would agree. The game manual seems to contradict it self.

Section three reads as follows

Alliances are seeded in the Qualification tournament using ranking points which are awarded based on a combination of their Win-Loss-Tie record (2 points for a win, 1 point for a tie), the number of times they reach a 40 kilo Pascal (kPa) pressure threshold (1 point), and the number of times they start all rotors (1 point).

correct me if I'm wrong but it would appear that according to this every 40kPa earns a ranking point.

However, Table 4-1 says

If ALLIANCE exceeds a threshold pressure of 40 kPa - 1 RP

This implies that you can only receive 1 RP at most through means of pressure.

[KosmicKhaos]

Originally Posted by Cal578

Table 4-1 says a team can only get one ranking point per match for pressure accumulation.

The only thing I'm not clear on (and this is only a corner case):
Table 4-1 says "If ALLIANCE exceeds a threshold pressure of 40 kPa".

Section 10.4.3-D says "Each Team on an ALLIANCE that achieves at least 40 kPa receives one (1) Ranking Point."
(bolding is my emphasis)

So, if the alliance gets exactly 40 kPa, do they get ranking points or not?

It says exceeds 40 kPa because you will never be able to score exactly 40 kPa. Each high goal scored is .333333 while each low goal scored is .111111

I've been corrected

[engunneer]

Originally Posted by KosmicKhaos

It says exceeds 40 kPa because you will never be able to score exactly 40 kPa. Each high goal scored is .333333 while each low goal scored is .111111

there are may ways to score 40kPa exactly. exactly 120 high goals in teleop is one way.

[Boltman]

To make it simple (per match):

A win is 2 RP (same as last year)
A tie 1 RP (same as last year)
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40 kPa is 1 RP (similar to a Breach last year)
4 Rotors turning is 1RP (similar to Capture last year)

[engunneer]

Originally Posted by NathanStro

the number of times they reach a 40 kiloPascal (kPa) pressure threshold (1 point)

A clearer way to state this is "the number of matches in which the alliance reached a 40 kiloPascal (kPa) pressure threshold (1 point)"

[EntropicOsprey]

I would say it is at least 40kPa, based on the fact that the rule states "at least" while a summary table paraphrases and uses another word. I would consider the summary table to be a helpful reference to the rule, with the rule holding the actual authority on the matter.

[BSV]

We were working on the assumption that the RP's from shooting are technically unlimited as stated on page 14, although they would be limited by the 4 balls/second processing speed of the boiler. Why else would the 40 kPa only be worth 20 points in the playoffs when getting all the rotors turning is worth 100 points in the playoffs? That seems pretty unbalanced unless you get the 20 points for every 40 kPa, in which case it makes perfect sense.

We'll submit a question to the Q&A when it opens, but hopefully FIRST will clarify before then because it's a pretty important strategy decision.

[Cothron Theiss]

Originally Posted by BSV

We were working on the assumption that the RP's from shooting are technically unlimited as stated on page 14, although they would be limited by the 4 balls/second processing speed of the boiler. Why else would the 40 kPa only be worth 20 points in the playoffs when getting all the rotors turning is worth 100 points in the playoffs? That seems pretty unbalanced unless you get the 20 points for every 40 kPa, in which case it makes perfect sense.

We'll submit a question to the Q&A when it opens, but hopefully FIRST will clarify before then because it's a pretty important strategy decision.

What just about everyone in this thread has said so far, what my interpretation of the rules says, and what my inner voice of (rarely) common sense says is that your assumption is incorrect. I think this will either be clarified soon via update or via Q&A, but I highly doubt that you can earn more than one RP from scoring Fuel.