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Lifting Gear Out of Robot

Hey CD,

Quick question: I've been looking at the rules, and I don't see anything explicitly forbidding the pilot lifting the gear out of the robot once it has the gear hooked. Is this allowed?
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Re: Lifting Gear Out of Robot

As of now yes
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Re: Lifting Gear Out of Robot

Do you expect that to be changed?
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Re: Lifting Gear Out of Robot

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Re: Lifting Gear Out of Robot

I'm sure that will be one of the first questions asked when Q&A opens
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This is easily the fourth thread of the exact same topic, try reading through the other three.

I'll give you a synthesis: There is nothing explicitly forbidding it right now, but Q+A opens on Wednesday and due to FIRST's cautious nature and requirement to stick closely to industry standards on machine-human interaction (for insurance reasons) it is more likely than not that this will be outlawed in the coming days. At the very least we'll be getting a clarification.


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Re: Lifting Gear Out of Robot

I'm of the opinion this is going to stay legal. There's a reason the scoring peg is a spring and that it is indirectly operated by a human several feet away from the robot.
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Re: Lifting Gear Out of Robot

Time is critical. It might take a couple of seconds for the human to verify the gear is loaded, then lift it out of the way. The robot is idle during this time.

If you can just slam the gear on the peg and instantly drive away, you can save those precious seconds.
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Re: Lifting Gear Out of Robot

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Time is critical. It might take a couple of seconds for the human to verify the gear is loaded, then lift it out of the way. The robot is idle during this time.

If you can just slam the gear on the peg and instantly drive away, you can save those precious seconds.
Not necessarily. Our team was talking about this, if we have some sort of visual indicator on top of the bot (like a led ring) that turns green as soon as the gear is good to go, the pilot yanks up hard, and the bot drives away. Shouldn't take more than an extra second than just leaving the gear there.
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Re: Lifting Gear Out of Robot

I was going to ask the same thing, I was thinking it would not work due to physical constraints. But if you can figure it out, by all means use it as an advantage.




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Re: Lifting Gear Out of Robot

I expect it to be made illegal, or the Pilots will have to wear gloves. There is a non-zero probability that a robot will yank the post down while being hit by a defender, giving a pilot rope burn.

It seems like pilots will want gloves regardless - accidents happen.

If the rules change, how they constitute that a robot has backed 'far enough' away to allow for safe retrieval will inevitably be the next topic of discussion - so hopefully a few Q&A posts will have some sort of multi-faceted question.
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I expect it to be made illegal, or the Pilots will have to wear gloves. There is a non-zero probability that a robot will yank the post down while being hit by a defender, giving a pilot rope burn.

It seems like pilots will want gloves regardless - accidents happen.

If the rules change, how they constitute that a robot has backed 'far enough' away to allow for safe retrieval will inevitably be the next topic of discussion - so hopefully a few Q&A posts will have some sort of multi-faceted question.
the lift has a handle, so rope burn should not be a concern for the Pilot.
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Re: Lifting Gear Out of Robot

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I expect it to be made illegal, or the Pilots will have to wear gloves. There is a non-zero probability that a robot will yank the post down while being hit by a defender, giving a pilot rope burn.
Also the "post" is actually a spring. So it will be significantly harder to "yank the post down" than you might expect.

I don't see why this would be made illegal. Whether it's a good strategy or not is a different question.
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When a robot is putting a gear on the spring can the pilot pull the rope to the ship at the same time to help the robot?

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When a robot is putting a gear on the spring can the pilot pull the rope to the ship at the same time to help the robot?

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