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Re: Fuel Truck Bot?

I don't see it in this game .... If there was just balls perhaps , with Fuel AND Gears AND climb are you really going to allocate TWO bots to the Boiler or Fuel/gear combo ??..I don't think so. Lets look at the thought process from an alliance selection perspective. There might be a path to success with fuel truck+ gear.

I think most elimination games will be 1 strong auto boiler bot . 1 fast gear bot, 1 defense bot (if you are able to get top bots and have last picks for 3rd selection pick 23 /24)

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2 good gear , 1 decent auto HE boiler (for most alliance captains that miss on the top bots opposite what they do well)
-or- 3 gear Really good, good, fair (Since HE Boiler bot quality I expect to be fairly rare in most competitions and snatched up)

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2 boiler "shooter + fuel" and 1 gear and/or no defense does not make sense to me... here's why I think that..

Gear rotor x 4= Rp or 100pts no way elimination alliances on ONE bot to get that 100 pts that's the minimum expectation for eliminations..so any "Fuel Truck or gear/fuel combo " only will likely not be selected as boiler is 20 (80 less value) . Only real alliance values is a single 40-shot with hopper HE Boiler bot try to knock out the boiler in auto solo with 15 secs you don't time to coordinate a fuel reload let alone autonomously. IMO.

You as an alliance have 150 seconds to accomplish 12+ 40 + 3 difficult tasks in eliminations. Those being 12Gear/4rotor spinup, 40HE goals in auto or roughly same amount of loads/scoring difficulty during tele, 3 climbs as an alliance.

That's roughly 55 tasks during the game of roughly equivalent time needs 3 bots brings that down to 18 things per bot now divide that into 150/18 = 8.3secs per either cross-field and back gear delivery . 1/40th of a 40 Kpa (1 HE auto or 3HE or 9 LE and acquiring Fuel to get 120./360 ) or climb alliances will not be successful in eliminations wasting on Fuel deliveries way too much to do and getting that 100 is critical if you want to move on. The VISION is terrible ..cameras only do so much.

That being said for a rookie team it might be cool and enough to impress for RAS award or something along those lines. It may have some decent success. They might get selected IF they can also play decent defense and that's what they will be doing most likely in eliminations not fuel delivery. So a fuel-truck + great Defense "cheesecake or not" might get you there. I've seen it many times IF you don't do one thing top tier in scoring solo, you probably won't be selecting and if you get selected It'll be because you can play defense, so young teams with less experience should consider that... keep defense as and option ( show it off in qualifications so scouts see it be cheescakable have bolt on ability within your max perimeter, stay at least 10 lbs under 120 so you can add parts) even though that may not be your main focus if you want to get selected. Pretty sure the top two captains will be searching for great defense in eliminations. They will be looking or at least their scouts will, so show defense off occasionally on both qual days.
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