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I'm still fairly confident that <50% of teams will have a reliable and working climbing mechanism in competition, Velcro or no. I'm also confident that no team will get past quals without one.
I am confident that at least 1 team will get past quals without one.
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Probably you're right. But not many.
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Welcome to the 2018 FIRST Robotics Competition, and the game: Water Game. Teams must bring their own water. Water must consist of a low viscosity and at it's maximum width must not be larger than 12 in.
But can I use this in my water?

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What is still not clear to me is whether there is plain "velcro" strapping that can hold 130+ lbs. If not, it is not clear is sewing velcro onto a nylon strap would be legal.
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What is still not clear to me is whether there is plain "velcro" strapping that can hold 130+ lbs. If not, it is not clear is sewing velcro onto a nylon strap would be legal.
The rope does not need to be constructed of a uniform material. The material used do not need to be the full length of the rope.
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What is still not clear to me is whether there is plain "velcro" strapping that can hold 130+ lbs. If not, it is not clear is sewing velcro onto a nylon strap would be legal.
If you don't want to make the argument that sewing isn't a form of weaving, can you not think of a way to braid or weave or knot it into/onto a strap?
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Re: [FRC Blog] Questions That Need Answering

The Velcro website uses the word woven in their product description.... https://www.velcro.com/business/products/textile-hook-and-loop My team is going to use this as justification if necessary.
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So am I the only one who even after this blog post and Team Update 2 still cannot tell if and under what circumstances velcro is legal to use on a rope?
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So am I the only one who even after this blog post and Team Update 2 still cannot tell if and under what circumstances velcro is legal to use on a rope?
  • It must be loop side
  • It must not have adhesive on the back
  • It must follow the rest of rope rules
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  • It must be loop side
  • It must not have adhesive on the back
  • It must follow the rest of rope rules
Would it be legal to sew some Velcro onto the rope that is hook on the inside and loop on the outside? Might we have to file off the hooks?
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  • It must be loop side
Hooks might be ok, too. According to this, the hooks on 3M's hook and loop with a plain back (no adhesive) are made from woven nylon or woven polyester. Product numbers SJ3401, SJ3402, SJ3476, SJ3477.

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Would it be legal to sew some Velcro onto the rope that is hook on the inside and loop on the outside? Might we have to file off the hooks?
Why wouldn't you just buy plain-backed? Pretty cheap on McMaster: https://www.mcmaster.com/#hook-and-loop-fasteners
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Why wouldn't you just buy plain-backed? Pretty cheap on McMaster: https://www.mcmaster.com/#hook-and-loop-fasteners
Because I couldn't find any Didn't even think to check McMaster. Ordering now.
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If you don't want to make the argument that sewing isn't a form of weaving, can you not think of a way to braid or weave or knot it into/onto a strap?
We spent some significant time prototyping weaving velcro into our rope today. Our best results came with using string to tie the velcro, however we have concerns that it may be interpreted as "whipping," which is specifically only allowed for preventing fray.
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