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Re: Is the Boiler worth it?
If we have an opponent that is a hopper loader/high shooter, our first move in tele will be to run around and dump all the hoppers. Ball pit time! It will be the extremely rare robot that can process balls from the floor fast enough to be effective.
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Re: Is the Boiler worth it?
My team says it's worth it, but I can't see how. You'd need an extremely quick shooter and accuracy is critical. Even slightly off, and your robot sucks.
And retrieval time is just too long. It'd be more worth it if balls were worth more points. However, we also have to consider that if all robots focus on gears, maxing the rotors may end up the norm, and boilers are now the only way to get ahead. |
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Sorry, but from what I've seen in the past, if floor loading is available, there'll be a lot of teams that can be extremely lethal with it, especially when there's no capacity limit other than robot size. '09 and '06 come to mind. |
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You are forgetting about collecting fuel from the floor while doing gear cycles... |
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Per the manual, however, this is an average value, depending on how tightly packed the goal is, so theoretically it could be processed faster than this. |
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You lose a couple of cycles while shooting the balls you're collecting. If you do such a strat, you can only get maybe two rotors on your own. It's better to either shoot the entire match (and be sure to hit that 40kpa) and then gear rather than pursuing a hybrid strat that may or may not get you both 2/3 rotors turning and 40kpa. Especially if one of your alliance partners can hit 6-8 gears on their own.
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It's important to note that not all matches will be close: if you think a qualification match is going to be a blowout,getting that extra RP will be very valuable.
This also means that the best partners in qualms arn't necessarily the best ones for elims... which is going to be fun. |
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Edit: And yes, there will be a team somewhere that does everything well. 7 gear cycles, 150 balls scored in the high goal, climb, all by themselves. Last edited by Skyehawk : 21-01-2017 at 19:23. |
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Also, add a second or two for alignment. Add 10 seconds if there's any defense at all on you. You're looking at spending a minute or so on shooting, giving you time to cycle maybe 3-4 gears. That is a lot better than a plain gear cycler, so I will admit for a team that can hit those fast, accurate shooting goals (as Dr. Joe said) it's a viable strat... if you're alone. If you have a couple of gearbots on your alliance, you shouldn't bother cycling back and forth and just collect close to the goal and shoot fast. Edit: Not sure how timing would work for 7 gear cycles, 150 pts, and climbing. It might happen, but I wouldn't bet on it. Last edited by pmattin5459 : 21-01-2017 at 19:32. |
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If you're good enough to score 7 balls per second, you're good enough not to have most defense (much less any defense at all) waste 10 seconds of your life for every load you shoot. People way over estimate the actual in-match effects of most--and even some rare top tier--defensive play versus powerhouse offensive robots.
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We are a 2nd year, FRC team with very little experience, we are currently thinking our best bet is to focus on a simple mechanism to deliver cogs, rather that a fuel retrieval and shooting system...what would others advise? We appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.
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