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Re: Machining Sponsorship for FRC Teams

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How is developing ties with a machine shop that offers to donate machining time ostensibly more consistent with the mission of FIRST than, say, developing ties with a tech company that offers to pay for said machining?

Why should one of these allow you to have a robot whose true cost is not reflected in the stated budget, but not the other?
i have to agree with Cory on this one. We are not talking about the mission of FIRST We are speaking about the rules. If I had a mentor that offered to purchase something for me.... or a sponsor.... that does not diminish the cost of the item for the BOM, donated items must still be accounted for even if the donor gives them to you freely (unless they are in the KOP,etc)

With this argument, a team could list McMaster Carr as a sponsor and not have to list any of the items they purchase from them on the BOM. This is not the intent of the rules for BOM.

I believe the rule as stated just indicates that "DONATED" labor does not have to included.... If you are paying for the labor (or machine time or whatever it is described as..) it is not donated.... so that cost should be included.

We have great relationships with a number of industrial companies, some of which are SPONSORS for us and some are just sources of mentors or demos or field trips. If I purchased something from them I would have to put it in the BOM. (with the caveat of the KOP, etc).

Our team cut parts for well over 10 teams last year and wlll continue to do this for any team that needs the help. I don't think that (with only one exception) any of them asked us for our machine time cost estimates or considered us a sponsor. I am NOT asking to be a sponsor, but I do wonder how many teams really understand this rule.
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Re: Machining Sponsorship for FRC Teams

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Our team cut parts for well over 10 teams last year and wlll continue to do this for any team that needs the help. I don't think that (with only one exception) any of them asked us for our machine time cost estimates or considered us a sponsor. I am NOT asking to be a sponsor, but I do wonder how many teams really understand this rule.
The rule this year specifically allows other teams to donate labor so cost accounting is not required. The rule lawyer in me also observes that the rule doesn't address rather or not the sponsor's machinist is paid or by whom. Just rather or not he is considered a member of the team drives the requirement for cost accounting.
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Re: Machining Sponsorship for FRC Teams

All this discussion... The rule and the blue box BOTH are pretty clear
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except for labor provided by Team members (including sponsor
employees who are members of the team)

If the machinists are considered members of the Team, their labor
costs do not apply
It doesn't matter if the company is a sponsor or not. What matters is if the machinist is a member of the team. Most of the people discussing this probably don't even live within driving distance of Anchor Labs... are you seriously going to try to tell your inspector that a machinist you've never met, and maybe don't even know their name, who lives and works 1000 miles away and whose time you paid for is a member of your team?

Lets try to be realistic here. I've seen the rule stretched, but I can't really imagine trying to stretch it that far.

Don't get me wrong, what Anchor Labs is doing here is awesome for teams. Having an easily accessible machining resource for teams that don't have access to local sponsors that can do it is much needed.
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