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Re: What would happen if the #1 alliance captain gets denied by every team
At the Bloomfield All Girls event (yesterday) the #1 alliance was denied by the top 5.
More Info: 1. 4779 2. 33 3. 1023 4. 226 5. 2337 6. 2834 (accepted) Last edited by Roboshant : 13-11-2016 at 17:12. |
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Re: What would happen if the #1 alliance captain gets denied by every team
Beats our record of 4 declines on Curie 2013. Anyone ever seen more than 5 declines?
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Re: What would happen if the #1 alliance captain gets denied by every team
If you get lucky at the top of the rankings and the other top 8 teams will not accept you as an alliance partner.
Scorched Earth Strategy is still a valid strategy. Scorched Earth weakens all the potential alliances if all 7 ranked teams deny. Some offseasons employ a mandatory scorched earth alliance selection to average power across alliances. Here is a thread about the topic in 2013. https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/s...d.php?t=117997 Last edited by lynca : 14-11-2016 at 12:46. |
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PLUS 4-team alliances with a mandatory one-play for each team per bracket; with a 32 team cap so that _everyone_ plays in the Elims. --Michael Last edited by Michael Blake : 14-11-2016 at 14:29. |
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Re: What would happen if the #1 alliance captain gets denied by every team
It was fun to watch the alliance selection and surprising to see the declines. There was even an announcer joke (from Jim Z.) about it being natural to expect drama at an All-Girl competition.
I can appreciate teams' desire to form their own alliances to get the experience. Bedford (1023) went on to win so they chose correctly, it seems. For what it's worth, 4779 Robosapiens were on my radar as having the most Cadillac-like chassis I saw all year in Stronghold. Look for the tall red robot crossing the moat at LSSU at 1:12 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqP026EPrbE I thought they were very competitive at All-Girls, but FRC stuff happens sometimes. |
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I can see a possibility in a district with less than 24 working robots and the 1# alliance is guaranteed to play a robot down. Rules like last years game make it difficult to win without 3 moving robots. As others have said past the 8 seed, it is play or go home.
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This happened at the Big Bang event this year. There were a total of 23 teams present. The rules were changed so that the 2 team alliance would be awarded a capture with the 2 robots on the batter. Team 226 was the alliance #2 captain and picked 1481. On the way back we chose not to pair with the team that remained. We ended up making it to the finals, but lost to the 3 team #1 alliance.
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#1 got a random previously-eliminated team for the finals. |
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Re: What would happen if the #1 alliance captain gets denied by every team
IT nearly happened in the 2006 Newton division where 176 was top seed and started picking every team in the top 8 who then one after the other said no to them til 111 accepted their invitation. They made it all the way to the divison finals.
What struck me was I heard many people label 176 jerks for doing that but it would be perfectly ok to say no to them. |
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Re: What would happen if the #1 alliance captain gets denied by every team
A #1 seed would probably be experienced enough to at least help get a robot moving. I assume they would pick the simplest non-moving robot and cheesecake from there.
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We almost had to do this at UNC Asheville last year. One team didn't show up, and we had exactly 24 teams. It made for a very interesting competition, knowing that everyone would make the eliminations.
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Re: What would happen if the #1 alliance captain gets denied by every team
So Scorched Earth proposal/possibility exists, and its history is documented.
I had a concept that might be in a similar vein, and know of no rules to cover it. I’m calling it Universe Upside-down. In this alliance picking strategy a super alliance can be made and in the balance of the competition field is destroyed (ok that’s a bit strong, but...). I’ll explain the scenario using team ranking as names/numbers. After elims, teams 1-8 are captains. Team 1 picks team 2 who says yes. Now teams 3-9 are the other 7 captains. For simplicity of explanation the balance of picks are sequential by rank. So team 3(2 seed captain) picks team 10, 4 takes 11 and so on. Up and down selections take place per norm meaning 2 seed takes team23 (alliance is then 3, 10, 23) Then the 1 seed invites team 3. (Pause for effect) Realize Team 3 is the 2 seed captain and they have not said no (refused an invite) to a selection so by rule are eligible to be picked. (Think not please find/state the RULE) Think of the fallout. Team 3 says yes, SEED 1 alliance now teams 1, 2, 3 but that is the simple issue. Seed 2 has to have a captain move into the position vacated by team 3, per rule this is team 4 with team 10 becoming the seed 8 captain except 10 was part of the 2 seed alliance which just gained a new captain (as did most alliances). Chaos the depth of this is crazy, question, is it preventable? Would never happen you might say, because never, would the top 3 seeded teams wish to play together. |
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Re: What would happen if the #1 alliance captain gets denied by every team
Off topic but I'm pretty sure 195's human player could hit a low-goal shot.
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