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Re: pic: Power Over Ethernet for 2017

How do you comply with wire gauge restrictions when doing this? Most ethernet cables are 23-26 ga. (usually 24) but 22 ga. is required in the manual for 12v 2a. Would it be legal to crimp 24ga (either from an ethernet cable or individual) wire into the RJ connector then solder the +v pair to a 22ga wire heading to the VRM and the same for the ground?
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Re: pic: Power Over Ethernet for 2017

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I don't quite follow this logic.
My power injector uses three connections:
1) roborio RJ45
2) radio RJ45
3) direct wired into VRM after cutting the barrel connector off
I was assuming you were using the connector link attributed to you (https://www.amazon.com/iCreatin-Pass...416072&sr=8-19)
on both ends. Apparently I've misunderstood the planned implementation. But my comment of things being less reliable assumed you were plugging the dongle with the male barrel into the radio, along with the RJ45 end.
The other dongle plugged into the RIO, then a power extension plugged into the female barrel to get to a VRM. An Ethernet cable plugged in to bridge the gap between the two dongles. So to tally things up I was expecting 4 Ethernet connections and 2 power connections. Basically exactly the layout depicted in the last two images of the product page linked.

If you're only using one of the cables, cutting the barrel jack off one end, and plugging it into the VRM directly... then I would agree you have one fewer Ethernet connections in this implementation than what I was suggesting. As far as I can tell, nobody suggested this implementation before I posted.
In this configuration, you will need the VRM immediately next to the RIO unless you're going to solder extensions to the power leads (which per your comment - you apparently consider to be introducing a failure point). Personally I trust our teams ability to produce reliable solder joints, so I consider this a wash.

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Your solution appears to require one additional Ethernet cable adding RJ45 failure points over and above those others even after you've bypassed the power barrel connector (the user modification is also another potential failure point).
The component I suggest effectively turns two RJ45 connections and a barrel jack into 4 RJ45 connections with zero barrel jack connections. Personally I consider the RJ45 connections to be one of, if not the most, reliable connections on the robot. To prove a point, I've lifted up a kitbot chassis by an Ethernet cable, maintaining active comms. The objective for me in using POE is to remove the Barrel plug from the equation, as in my experience this is the only component which has contributed to comms problems on our robots. We usually hot glue them in... I've never had to hot glue an RJ45 cable into a socket.

I did consider using a cable like the ones you've linked. My concern with them was the quality of the crimps and whether or not the cables would be twisted pairs or (non-compliant) straight through in the dongle themselves. When I was doing my research at the beginning of the season, the pictures few pictures of the dongles I saw online looked to be questionably small gauge straight through conductors. I didn't have any of these on hand to check myself though. So I made a judgement call to go with the PCB version like the ones I linked earlier.

All that said, no need to defend your choices to me. I was just sharing what we were planning on doing since I hadn't seen a POE injector like the one we're using in this thread yet...
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Re: pic: Power Over Ethernet for 2017

Ah, too many assumptions.
You can't actually use that injector in the configuration you were thinking of.
Power is only injected into the female end, not the male end.

This is the picture I posted of my setup when I talked about it: https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/a...7&d=1484316250
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Re: pic: Power Over Ethernet for 2017

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How do you comply with wire gauge restrictions when doing this? Most ethernet cables are 23-26 ga. (usually 24) but 22 ga. is required in the manual for 12v 2a.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge
22awg =0.326 mm^2

The passive power injectors use pairs of conductors for sending power and ground (a total of four conductors used).
24awg = 0.205 mm^2
So you effectively you have 0.410 mm^2 cross sectional area of copper which exceeds the 22awg requirement.

At least that's how I was planning on explaining it away if the question came up.
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Re: pic: Power Over Ethernet for 2017

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Ah, too many assumptions.
You can't actually use that injector in the configuration you were thinking of.
Power is only injected into the female end, not the male end.

This is the picture I posted of my setup when I talked about it: https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/a...7&d=1484316250

If you read what I wrote, I did assume the female end was where the power was being injected from. I assumed it was being used literally the way it's depicted in the product posting.
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The other dongle plugged into the RIO, then a power extension plugged into the female barrel to get to a VRM.
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