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It all depends how you've designed your robot. I'm extremely confident that it is possible. By no means will every team be able to pull it off, but if you designed with a 40kpa auto in mind, it is most definitely possible.
It's gonna take minimum 8 seconds just to count the balls. That leaves just 7 seconds to drive to the hopper and get the balls, I will be extremely surprised if anyone manages it solo
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It's gonna take minimum 8 seconds just to count the balls. That leaves just 7 seconds to drive to the hopper and get the balls, I will be extremely surprised if anyone manages it solo
You don't have to have scored all 40 balls for it to start counting, you just need to start scoring by second 7. There is a hopper located roughly 10 feet away from a legal starting point very close to the goal. This is clearly a possible task this year, one that I expect several top tier robots to have designed around.

Keep in mind you can also score your starting 10, then go get 30 more while those are counting...
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You don't have to have scored all 40 balls for it to start counting, you just need to start scoring by second 7. There is a hopper located roughly 10 feet away from a legal starting point very close to the goal. This is clearly a possible task this year, one that I expect several top tier robots to have designed around.
Like I said it will be extremely shocking to see one team do it in auto. At 90% accuracy you would need to shoot 45 balls in 15 seconds, roughly 3bps for the entire auto period, Not accounting for any drive time

If you take 5 seconds to drive, get the balls, and re-align and begin shooting you are looking at under 10 seconds to shoot 45 balls and make every single one. Which now leaves you with almost the exact time that it takes for the boiler to count all the balls.
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Like I said it will be extremely shocking to see one team do it in auto. At 90% accuracy you would need to shoot 45 balls in 15 seconds, roughly 3bps for the entire auto period, Not accounting for any drive time

If you take 5 seconds to drive, get the balls, and re-align and begin shooting you are looking at under 10 seconds to shoot 45 balls and make every single one. Which now leaves you with almost the exact time that it takes for the boiler to count all the balls.
It's possible enough that great teams will make it happen.
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It's possible enough that great teams will make it happen.
I'll believe it when I see it. I still stand by that a solo robot won't be able to pull it off
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I would say that the 40 fuel auton is slightly easier than the 2 ball auto was last year, and we saw more than a few teams get that done.
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I would say that the 40 fuel auton is slightly easier than the 2 ball auto was last year, and we saw more than a few teams get that done.
I would argue that the difference between 40 fuel auton and 2 ball is that 2 ball could be done without any major mechanical design changes. This might require that, depending on how your robot is already setup.
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I would argue that the difference between 40 fuel auton and 2 ball is that 2 ball could be done without any major mechanical design changes. This might require that, depending on how your robot is already setup.
The vast majority of teams who consistently pull off complex autos in any year start the second week or so of build season knowing that they'll try to design that way. Some years pick up a few more or a few less on the fringes later on based on redesign difficultly, but that isn't the main driver behind the numbers. The task in any year is high-level enough that the pool of teams who can accomplish it consistently and the pool that can predict it early will naturally overlap quite heavily.
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I'll believe it when I see it. I still stand by that a solo robot won't be able to pull it off
40 kph autos will be done many times this season by many teams, I'd bet you'll see it done week one. The real trick is being efficient enough to score a gear as well....
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40 kph autos will be done many times this season by many teams, I'd bet you'll see it done week one. The real trick is being efficient enough to score a gear as well....
Week 1 maybe for an alliance but solo? I think it'll be a rare occurrence. I hope I'm wrong.
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Like I said it will be extremely shocking to see one team do it in auto. At 90% accuracy you would need to shoot 45 balls in 15 seconds, roughly 3bps for the entire auto period, Not accounting for any drive time

If you take 5 seconds to drive, get the balls, and re-align and begin shooting you are looking at under 10 seconds to shoot 45 balls and make every single one. Which now leaves you with almost the exact time that it takes for the boiler to count all the balls.
who said you ever have to realign?
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To be fair, there's also something to be said for score 30-35 kPA, even if you don't get all forty. The benefit of the auton gear is 20 points. If you can beat that with balls, especially if your alliance can't get the third auton gear, then I think you come out ahead.

I also think that, at some of the speeds teams will be shooting, firing 40+ balls in the required timeframe will not be much of a challenge.
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It's gonna take minimum 8 seconds just to count the balls. That leaves just 7 seconds to drive to the hopper and get the balls, I will be extremely surprised if anyone manages it solo

The manual says it averages 5 ball/sec scoring. That means that it has so be faster than that. So an average of 8 seconds to count 40 balls, but if the boiler is full and the counter is operating at max output I bet its a few seconds faster.
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