Reasons for not using frames

[Stefan]

i use IFRAMES w/tables. and they work well for me. all of todays modern browsers support frames and iframes.... Compliant with... Phonex 0.5, NS 6.0 ^, Opera 6.02^, IE umm, Mozilla handles web just like NS ... If u dont bleieve in Iframes check out my teams web site or another one of my websites whsgg.com...

[Raven_Writer]

Originally posted by Stefan
i use IFRAMES w/tables. and they work well for me. all of todays modern browsers support frames and iframes.... Compliant with... Phonex 0.5, NS 6.0 ^, Opera 6.02^, IE umm, Mozilla handles web just like NS ... If u dont bleieve in Iframes check out my teams web site or another one of my websites whsgg.com...

Your team's website is down....

[Stefan]

I know fo sum reason its is. when i go to the my school districts web site all that loads is the title bar text and the the unavable notice... umm never had a prob like this though i mean a school district wit 100K+ student should have the tech ppl who manage the web stuff on call... Just watch all this stuff come down to sum1's type o that killed apache or sumthin...... lol

[AlbertW]

Originally posted by iBob
ya, a poll, i tried frames once, and only once....

and i didn't even inhale!


seriously, first time i used frames was when i was on my school's web team in 7th grade. back then, i had no idea, but eventually we dropped the frames for an intricate table design.

since then i've never used frames. our site DOES, however, use an iframe for scrolling the news section, cause having an infinitely expanding news section would screw up the design of the rest of the page. Regardless, iframes aren't nearly as intrusive as frames are, as they are just like any other dynamic element on a page (images, tables) and move with the page when you scroll, etc. not only that, they are an approved standard by the w3c (word wide web consortium)

www.harker-robotics.org <- iframes done right


oh, and yeah. about the SSI includes thing. problem with SSIs is that you can't see what you get until you upload it. if you've got a WYSIWYG editor that keeps track of entire sites at a time (like Adobe GoLive) you can use the templates feature, and whenever you change the template, it auto-updates every paged tied into the template. best of both worlds - synchronized code, and previewing without uploading.

[HFWang]

I've seen quite a few admin backends that used frames. I don't recall wanting to tear my hair out from that at the time.

I mean, alot of these could be used as arguements for anything. It blocks your view? Your table-based layouts (or css, or heck, your non-existant layout) blocks my view. What do you call whitespace?! Or margins? Heck... your images blocks my view of the background... if thats what you mean.

There are hacks to emulate position: fixed, but suffer from really weird results in macs. Its kind of sad that just because IE can't handle something means for most people that feature doesn't exist. (Like adjacent selectors in CSS...) Course as a user of mozilla, I pretty much get the shaft if somebody wants to make a browser-specific site.

But anyway, whats the arguement here? I've seen it blocks your screen and that its unprofessional. Pretty much anything can take up screen space, so IMO thats a moot point. As to unprofessional, I truly think that is more of a design consideration than an actual problem with frames themselves.