A question about Eminem

[Brandon Martus]

** points to both of your signatures. AIM please.

[Raven_Writer]

Originally posted by Brandon Martus
** points to both of your signatures. AIM please.

Sorry brandon

*knew he should've done it sooner*

[FotoPlasma]

Originally posted by Pin Man
Eminem represents the downfall of modern music... You can't even call it music cause anyone can talk while there is a loud bass behind him...

I disagree with all of the assertions in your post.

In my eyes, Eminem represents, and is at the forefront of, an invigoration of modern popular music. He dares to say things that many disagree with. He stays true to himself and his methods of self-expression. He doesn't give up, and he doesn't back down (that I know of). He's one of the few remaining pockets of disruption and dissonance in this endless sea of conformist drivel that we're hearing on Top40 radio and MTV.

Second, you don't have any basis to say that what Eminem produces is not music. He might not be able to play the guitar or the bass or drums or sitar or whatever else you may think of, but hey, neither could The Ramones, and look what they accomplished. What he does is no less worthy of recognition.

And last, I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement that "anyone can talk while there is a loud bass behind him." The complexity of the lyrics that Eminem has been known to produce off the top of his head astounds most people, including myself. His ability to think on his feet (freestyle) can probably only be matched by very few. The bass may provide a rhythm, but it doesn't automatically infer an ability to rap.

[Raven_Writer]

Originally posted by FotoPlasma
And last, I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement that "anyone can talk while there is a loud bass behind him." The complexity of the lyrics that Eminem has been known to produce off the top of his head astounds most people, including myself. His ability to think on his feet (freestyle) can probably only be matched by very few. The bass may provide a rhythm, but it doesn't automatically infer an ability to rap.

I've done the "thoughts-or-words-off-the-top-of-my-head" many, many, many times while I just sit in the car, computer, try to write, and anything else I might be doing. He grant him on the rhyming, I don't on the message. It's just my opinion (which turned into a 2-1/2 page argument).

[Madison]

Originally posted by Raven_Writer
I've said it, yes. But I didn't scream it like [removed by moderator. please describe your example, rather than bypassing the censor].

So, what you're suggesting, then, is that the delivery can be more important than the message? That seems quite like what I've been suggesting the entire time, oddly.

Ok, so Navy didn't exist when Hitler took over, big woop, there was after he took over, with the submerines and all. Also, my History is "correct", is that a crime?

This has become totally unrelated to this thread, but your knowledge of Hitler's rise to power is rudimentary and obviously so. It's a long lecture to give, so I'm not doing it here. You are oversimplifying many things or are simply incorrect. Hitler's rule in Germany and the road he took to get there has filled books.

Ok, so you're saying, that the movie industry is struggling because it has many adults in it? Also, I dunno how many shows have more adults than teenagers on them. Old and new. So that statement is wrong.....thank you.

Beyond that what you've written makes no sense, allow me to elaborate further.

Teenagers in the United States have the highest percentage of expendable income when compared to other demographic groups. That is, teenagers can often afford to spend 70 or 80% of what they earn on leisure activities where adults have to worry about things like insurance, bills, taxes, and the mortgage.

It is that expendable income that is the bread and butter of the entertainment industry. CD sales and movie receipts are driven by the teenage demographic. It's for that reason that artists such as Eminem and *NSync sell millions and millions of records, but adult contemporary favorites such as, say, Rod Stewart, are hardly a blip on the radar. Ignoring teens is the first step toward making sure a business or industry fails.

I've written here just once more to clea up those final misconceptions. I'm done with this debate because it's clear its hit a dead end. I'll let the discussion speak for itself when others read it. I think I've gone far enough to sufficiently prove my points -- about Eminem, about censorship, and about the unrelated topics of WWII and teenaged spending habits. If anyone wants to take this up with me in private, feel free, but please don't bother unless you're going to take the time to verify your claims first. I research what I write and I expect the same courtesy in return.

Thanks.

[Pin Man]

Originally posted by FotoPlasma
And last, I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement that "anyone can talk while there is a loud bass behind him." The complexity of the lyrics that Eminem has been known to produce off the top of his head astounds most people, including myself. His ability to think on his feet (freestyle) can probably only be matched by very few. The bass may provide a rhythm, but it doesn't automatically infer an ability to rap.

Actually he's is not freestyling because he thinks this CRAP up before he produces it... I don't know why you are draggin the Ramones into this because they are not rap and don't just dance around like an idiot saying they are going to kill themselves and how tough life is even though they are living in million dollar homes and have 20 different cars... So don't even try to bring them in... It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't even write that crap like all some of the other pop bands(well you can't call them bands if its just one person singing other peoples stuff)... The fact is is that he is not a poet he just talks about howtough life is even though he has a great life and he talks about how he beats his wife (ex. (i forget the name of the song but it goes like this) "I'm gonna kill you b****")... To me my friend that is not music or poetry that is unexceptable CRAP... If you want real poetry/music listen to a little song called No Surprises by Radiohead... Now that is a work of art...

[Brandon Martus]

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's completely worthless crap. I don't like Eminem's music... not one bit. I still think he's got talent, though. People obviously like Eminem's work, or else most of us wouldn't have heard of him. The record sales back that up, without a doubt.

As for the nobel prize thing [you know, the original topic of this thread], I agree with what SuperDanman said above. The Nobel Peace Prize is given to the person that has "..conferred the greatest benefit on mankind". I don't know what benefit Eminem has given other than entertainment. I'm sure something else has happened in the past year somewhere in the world that had a greater benefit to mankind than just entertainment.

[Pin Man]

I agree that he doesn't deserve it... Also I respect your opinion but to me he does have no talent but thats my opinion and I'll leave it at that...

[robot180]

It is funny that I go like two days without going onto Chiefdelphi and this thread goes from like five posts to four full pages. I am finally popular...just joking.

[srjjs]

Looks like I came a little late, but anyways:

At the uppermost levels, there's little difference between candidates. The average person is definitely able to recognize quality work, but is far less likely to be able to weigh one outstanding choice against another. That's why special committees to grant such awards exist.
That's also why these awards carry so much significance with them. The skill is there whether it's rewarded or not, but the respect that comes with such a presitigious award is extremely important. The recipient, for a large portion of the world, becomes the pinnacle of what that field represents and the role model for many enthusiasts with dreams of someday winning the prize as well.
In addition, the Nobel Prize is something that is typically only given attention to by adults. You'd be hard-pressed to find a teenager that knows who the last few nobel prize winners in any one category were.
(Note that it is not so much the work itself that matters, but what people think of the work.)
These people typically regard Eminem as conveying a message of hate and instability (which, to be fair, he does). By bestowing the highest award in the field on such a person, a significant message is sent. A person with such a negative reputation as Eminem is not a good choice for this award.

[Adam Y.]

I never said no one liked Elvis, I was referring to his music. If you also notice, there are many more teenagers who listen to Eminem than adults.

Actually I agree that there are quite a few similarities between Eminem and Elvis. The only thing different between them is the amount of things they both had to do to create controversy. All Elvis had to do was shake his hips and he would scare a lot of parents with that. In fact television shows would show him from the waist up because of the controversy.

[Kevin A]

To all of you people against eminem, think about this -
part of music is conveying a message to other people, and eminem does a great job of this. you all know the exact message that he is giving out, but maybe its deeper. maybe he would have killed somebody by now if he hadnt let all his anger out. Admitting is always the first step to recovery, right?

I personally like his music to a point. I wont listen to it repeatedly, but its a good reality check every once in a while.

Maybe im crazy

[Raven_Writer]

Originally posted by Kevin A
To all of you people against eminem, think about this -
part of music is conveying a message to other people, and eminem does a great job of this. you all know the exact message that he is giving out, but maybe its deeper. maybe he would have killed somebody by now if he hadnt let all his anger out. Admitting is always the first step to recovery, right?

I personally like his music to a point. I wont listen to it repeatedly, but its a good reality check every once in a while.

Maybe im crazy

Maybe he would've...but ever thought about this -
If he didn't do his writing, their maybe less hate in the world?

I never said their would be, I said their might be.

[MarkF]

Yes, Eminem has an amazing talent to spit out rhymes faster and with more meaning and complexity than anyone else. And quite frankly, when I listen to it (the non-offensive stuff), I get a bit of an energy boost. BUT this whole controversy would probably not be going on if he hadn't started off with such nasty lyrics...who wants to listen to him talk about killing, maiming, tapings anf so forth, his mother? Now, I don't particularly like my mother, but I have no reason for that other stuff.

I can understand him being nominated and winning a nice little prize for his talent (he has ALOT of it, don't think I'm saying he doesn't, I just think he chooses to use it in the wrong way most of the time), but the Nobel prize? Come on. That's too much.

[Elgin Clock]

/me looks at watch and is angry that I spent half my lunch break reading this dribble....

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