Go to Post Shouldn't we be encouraging exploration instead of repeatedly beating it with a stick? - Mike Soukup [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 16-12-2003, 16:59
Andrew Andrew is offline
Registered User
#0356
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Little Rock, AR
Posts: 393
Andrew is a name known to allAndrew is a name known to allAndrew is a name known to allAndrew is a name known to allAndrew is a name known to allAndrew is a name known to all
Volunteer Screening - High School Students

We're approaching implmentation of our Volunteer Screening and there is a glaring question which has not really been discussed. It has been mentioned on one of the many other Volunteer Screening threads.

From the Youth Protection Act of 2004

Quote:
To ensure success of critical mentor relationships, FIRST requires that all adults who plan to participate as a FIRST Team Mentor in the United States and work with the children on the team, complete and submit an "Adult Registration/Informed Consent Form for FIRST Programs" to the Team Leader using the form on the following page. The form is only required of adults who plan to participate on the team (Team Mentors). An adult is defined as any individual who is eighteen years of age or older.
From the Youth Protection FAQ which helps "clarify" this issue:
Quote:
Who must be screened?
All Team Mentors must be screened. A Mentor is an adult (any individual eighteen years of age or older) who is an active member of the team and works frequently with the students. The Team Leader must screen her/himself and any parents/guardians acting as Mentors.

Parents/guardians or other adults who plan only on cheering the team at an event do not need to go through the background screening process. An adult who attends a single meeting with the team to share a skill, or present to the team, does not require screening.
Now, as I read this, any high school student who has reached the age of 18 must be screened. They have contact with children (the non-18 year old team members) both at high school and at FIRST activities.

Even though these students are probably in the "being mentored" category, by FIRST's definition and clarification, they must be considered "mentors" and should be screened.

Any one else have an opinion on this subject?
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 16-12-2003, 17:27
Gabriel Gabriel is offline
Registered User
#1409 (Fightin' Llamas)
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Great Barrington MA
Posts: 150
Gabriel is just really niceGabriel is just really niceGabriel is just really niceGabriel is just really nice
Send a message via AIM to Gabriel
Re: Volunteer Screening - High School Students

My team's situation might provide some insight into FIRST's mindset here.

Our team is from Simon's Rock College of Bard. Basically, Simon's Rock is the only college in the country designed for high school age students who want to go to college a couple years early. As a result, our team is mostly made up of kids under-18 who are officially enrolled in their high-schools but attend Simon's Rock. FIRST said that when determining who was to be considered a student (and could legally handle the robot in competition, etc) and who was to be considered a mentor age didn't matter. The determining factor was high school enrollment. We were allowed to count anyone duel-enrolled as a student, but anyone not enrolled in a high-school was to be considered a mentor. If FIRST is consistent in their definitions I think it is safe to extrapolate that 18 year old high school kids are students, not mentors and do not need to be screened, but 18 year old college students are mentors and need to be screened.
__________________
--
Currently: Team Leader - 1409
2001-2003 Founding Member Team 782
2003: New England Regional Winners
2003: New England Regional Xerox Creativity Award
2003: Newton Div. Semi-finalists
2000-2001: Team 508
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 16-12-2003, 17:48
rbayer's Avatar Unsung FIRST Hero
rbayer rbayer is offline
Blood, Sweat, and Code
no team (Teamless Orphan)
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Minnetonka, MN
Posts: 1,087
rbayer is a glorious beacon of lightrbayer is a glorious beacon of lightrbayer is a glorious beacon of lightrbayer is a glorious beacon of lightrbayer is a glorious beacon of light
Send a message via AIM to rbayer
Re: Volunteer Screening - High School Students

While I don't know what FIRST's views on the matter would be, Boy Scouts of America requires everyone over 18 (including HS seniors) to go through a similar process. What's so magical about the number 18? I honestly don't know, except that it means you're a legally independant entity.

Just my 2c.
__________________
New C-based RoboEmu2 (code simulator) available at: http://www.robbayer.com/software.php
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 16-12-2003, 18:26
Greg Ross's Avatar
Greg Ross Greg Ross is offline
Grammar Curmudgeon
AKA: gwross
FRC #0330 (Beach 'Bots)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1998
Location: Hermosa Beach, CA
Posts: 2,245
Greg Ross has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Ross has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Ross has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Ross has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Ross has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Ross has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Ross has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Ross has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Ross has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Ross has a reputation beyond reputeGreg Ross has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Greg Ross Send a message via Yahoo to Greg Ross
Thumbs up Re: Volunteer Screening - High School Students

Quote:
Originally Posted by rbayer
While I don't know what FIRST's views on the matter would be, Boy Scouts of America requires everyone over 18 (including HS seniors) to go through a similar process. What's so magical about the number 18? I honestly don't know, except that it means you're a legally independant entity.

Just my 2c.
Just to clarify, the Boy Scouts of America program is for boys aged 11 to 17. At age 18, a "boy" is no longer eligible to be a scout. If he continues with a troop, it is as an adult leader, and he undergoes the same checks as other adult leaders. It's not as if scouts fall into under/over age 18 categories, and only the ones over age 18 are required to have checks done.
__________________
Greg Ross (The Grammar Curmudgeon formerly known as gwross)
S/W Engineer, Team 330, the Beach 'Bots
<--The Grammar Curmudgeon loves this cartoon.
“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" Hunter S. Thompson
"Playing a practical joke means doing something mean and calling it funny." Me
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 16-12-2003, 23:20
srjjs's Avatar
srjjs srjjs is offline
Slightly Rehabilitated
AKA: Larry Wang
#0840 (Aragon Robotics Team)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: UCB, Berkeley
Posts: 485
srjjs will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to srjjs
Re: Volunteer Screening - High School Students

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriel
If FIRST is consistent in their definitions I think it is safe to extrapolate that 18 year old high school kids are students, not mentors and do not need to be screened, but 18 year old college students are mentors and need to be screened.
So then 17-year-old college students still need to be screened?
__________________
2004:
SVR Imagery Award
SVR Semifinalists with 473 and 687

RIP Andrew Dang
3/22/2004
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 16-12-2003, 23:27
Gabriel Gabriel is offline
Registered User
#1409 (Fightin' Llamas)
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Great Barrington MA
Posts: 150
Gabriel is just really niceGabriel is just really niceGabriel is just really niceGabriel is just really nice
Send a message via AIM to Gabriel
Re: Volunteer Screening - High School Students

No, because FIRST specifically says only those over 18 need to be screened. At least thats my interpretation. We'll ask FIRST for clarification.
__________________
--
Currently: Team Leader - 1409
2001-2003 Founding Member Team 782
2003: New England Regional Winners
2003: New England Regional Xerox Creativity Award
2003: Newton Div. Semi-finalists
2000-2001: Team 508
Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-12-2003, 20:02
Jeff Waegelin's Avatar
Jeff Waegelin Jeff Waegelin is offline
El Jefe de 148
AKA: Midwest Refugee
FRC #0148 (Robowranglers)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Greenville, TX
Posts: 3,132
Jeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Volunteer Screening - High School Students

I would assume this would include 18-year-old high school students, as they are considered legal adults. Unless FIRST issues a ruling specifically exempting 18-year-old high school students, I would be prepared to have them go through the same check process. It's a bit of a nuisance, but the way the rules are currently worded, that's the way it is.
__________________
Jeff Waegelin
Mechanical Engineer, Innovation First Labs
Lead Engineer, Team 148 - The Robowranglers
Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-12-2003, 21:24
Winged Globe Winged Globe is offline
Don't Panic
AKA: Xiao-Yu Fu
FRC #0481 (The Hitchhikers)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: San Pablo, CA
Posts: 97
Winged Globe is a glorious beacon of lightWinged Globe is a glorious beacon of lightWinged Globe is a glorious beacon of lightWinged Globe is a glorious beacon of lightWinged Globe is a glorious beacon of lightWinged Globe is a glorious beacon of light
Send a message via AIM to Winged Globe
Re: Volunteer Screening - High School Students

Nope. I emailed FIRST for a clarification...
Quote:
...
According to your guidelines, anyone over 18 years of
age are defined to be mentors and must be screened.
Does this include currently enrolled high school
seniors who are turning 18 this year? It seems odd
that we have to screen a quarter of our team, even
though they are still high school students, have been
on the team in their past grades, and are subjected to
this rule due only to an early birthday. A
clarification would be greatly appreciated.
and received the following response from the Volunteer Resources Manager:
Quote:
...
Your students do not need to be screened.
...
I think that settles it, and it's the logical response.
__________________
Team 2B0
~O~
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-12-2003, 21:42
Jeff Waegelin's Avatar
Jeff Waegelin Jeff Waegelin is offline
El Jefe de 148
AKA: Midwest Refugee
FRC #0148 (Robowranglers)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Greenville, TX
Posts: 3,132
Jeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond reputeJeff Waegelin has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Volunteer Screening - High School Students

Quote:
Originally Posted by Winged Globe
Nope. I emailed FIRST for a clarification...

and received the following response from the Volunteer Resources Manager:

I think that settles it, and it's the logical response.
Well, I stand corrected Although, that does fall under my classification of being "specifically exempted."
__________________
Jeff Waegelin
Mechanical Engineer, Innovation First Labs
Lead Engineer, Team 148 - The Robowranglers
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
robotics trivia kewlkid382 Chit-Chat 63 16-03-2004 09:50
What does the Chairman’s Award have to do with a robot contest? Ed Sparks Chairman's Award 32 15-02-2004 13:39
St. Louis anyone? Jeremy_Mc Regional Competitions 8 07-02-2003 12:06
KSC Results archiver 2000 2 23-06-2002 22:19
KSC awards archiver 1999 4 23-06-2002 21:59


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:02.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi