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Re: Most Competitive Regional

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Don't be too hard on Tytus. We were told by the announers that no one had four bots on the ramp at that point. Tytus was correct, as this was the information he was going off of.
I didn't know I was being hard on him?
Sorry Tytus, didn't mean to be mean, just issuing a clarification.

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You can see that Florida was a 3rd week regional.

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Re: Most Competitive Regional

How about the Canadian Regional? It's the only one in another country but it's full of competitive teams like 48, 188, 783, 639...

This year, the 70+ teams, 2+ fields, and up to double the qualifying rounds should make it one great regional. I don't know if anyone can judge a regional's competitiveness with clear objectivity but I at least know that the Canadian Regional willl be highly entertaining and fun. As it has been the last 2 years.
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

not to sound mean,but this really isnt somthing that anyone is gonna veiw objectivly. JohnVNeun,Erin Rapaki is gonna say New Hampshire, or one of the New England area regionals, Andy Baker,Katie Reynolds,DJ Fluck, THe Gilberts will most likely say Midwest or one of the Midwest regionals, Me,Wanyn C, Aignam,Rich, are gonna say NJ or one of the midatlantic regionals, Cory,Kristina,THe Golds,and possibly Ken(he is everywhere, probobly one of the few in FIRST that can give an accurate answer), will all say one of the West coast regionals.... the one down side to more regionals, and the increased growth of FIRST, is the variation of teams at each location, i have never been to any of the west coast regionals, my only experiance with the Midwest is IRI, and that isnt a "Regional"(but its really close). while this is a great question and i a know it comes up almost every year, i think that FIRST has gotten to big for anyone regional to be "The Most Competitive"


BTW, NJ owns all regionals
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

I assume it's up to me to speak up from the southeast,

Peachtree Regional is the most competative! w00t!

or at least it will be in a few years, give Georgia two years with two or more veteran teams and the Peachtree'll be competative enough to compete for most competative (that sets the date two year from this season, sounds like fun, but until then, we'l just have to make do with the Championship as "Most Competative Event"; see y'all in April!)

edit: I don't really say "y'all", but it was stereotypically fitting.
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

Mike you have a very valid point i agree that it is a matter of perspective. Oh one more thing i think Philly owns J&J. :-P
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

Even if you find someone who's gone to regionals in all regions (and I would consider the south a 4th region), most likely they won't have gone to the best (however you define best) regional in that region. And even then, there is some (a lot) of bias involved.

Anyone have an idea for a ratings system for teams similar to the BCS?

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Re: Most Competitive Regional

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BTW, NJ owns all regionals
Whew, I thought you went soft there for a minute, Mike. Actually, I know this is not anything to be answered objectively.

103 has competed at regionals in New England (the 02 finals at UTC will remain one of my fondest memories), Philadelphia, NJ, and MD. Joe is right about there being so many regional choices these days. Because of our location NJ and Philly will always be competitions of choice.

The Philly teams have really "matured" over the last few years, making it every bit as competitive as NJ. NJ is the regional we started at seven years ago and keep going back to because of the awesome combination of competitiveness and comraderie. Because of that comraderie, even the rookies in NJ are usually tougher than most. However, there was a rookie champ in Philly in 2003 too. We also attended MD in 2003 and had a great time. As a first year event it was excellent and, in looking at the team list for 2004, I'd characterize MD as potentially being very competitive.

I know we'd love to go back to New England for a regional in the coming years, the Naval Academy is a beautiful venue and packing up for the midwest one of these years would be an awesome experience too. But locking horns at home in Philly and NJ (now at a much bigger venue) is way too hard and close to resist.

Hmmmm..... I think I need to rob a bank, lengthen the season, and convince school that being on the road for two months straight is a good thing
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

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Re: Most Competitive Regional

:^) there is a big difference between

needing to rob a bank

AND

planning to rob a bank
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

I think that the midwest is so competitive is because many of the midwest teams have been around for a long time. Naturally, they have more experience, giving them an advantage. When you have a team that has been around for 10+ years, theyve probably also developed a good sponsor base, that continues to supply them with funds, expertise, materials, shop time, etc, as opposed to teams on the west coast, which are generally the newer teams (overall) except for a few. Im not saying there arent good teams in the west, because there are. Having never been to a competition anywhere but in California and Nationals two years ago, I suppose I really cant judge, but it just seems that the midwest consistently produces more good robots than any other area in the country.

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Re: Most Competitive Regional

I've given this a lot more thought...
In terms of pre-season, how does one rate the competitiveness of a regional, without knowing what the game/robots will be like?

Well... past experiences obviously... But, what specifically?

In my case, it has to do with the teams attending, and how many of them I think of as "competitive". The regionals with the most competitive teams, will be the toughest.

Which of course brings up another question... in the pre-season how do I define this?

I've given this a LOT of thought, and here is what I've come up with.
A team is "pre-season competitive" in my mind if... I'm scared of the robot they will design, and what they will come up with.

This is based on a lot of things for me...
I've been around this competition for a few years, and I've been described as a "Student of the game" so I've seen my fair share of robots (from all over the nation, not just New England). If a team has consistently put out impressive robots, that scare the bejesus out of me, obviously I'm going to consider them a competitive team.

Cmon guys... you know what I'm talking about.
If you don't understand, look at the Wildstang robots from... ummm...
1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003. get it yet?

Do the same for the Technokats.
Do the same for Chief Delphi.
Do the same for BBS.
Do the same for Beatty.
Do the same for BUZZ.

Understand yet?

These are the teams I'm talking about. The ones who go out, build an amazing machine, and kick some butt... EVERY YEAR.

Some teams in the country are good... but in my mind, they still aren't quite to this level yet. There are TONS of teams who pull out great robots... but how many do it every single stinkin' year?

So... where is the greatest concentration of these teams?
Midwest. Just look down the team lists for some of those regionals...

Here's another exercise...
This is only for those people who have seen a lot of robots, and a lot of teams over the years... (not the ones who have spent their entire life attending only one regional, and don't pay attention to the "international" scene).

Name your top 10 teams in the nation.
See any one regional heavy in those teams?

I do.

John

Disclaimer: This is obviously a very opinionated subject. I just posted my opinion, and examples to help others understand where I'm coming from. Obviously... there is no "right" answer to this. The only way we can quantitatively argue this is AFTER the regionals have ended. But until then, it sure makes for something good to think about while we wait for kickoff...
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

A couple of years back, someone put together a spreadsheet with each regional, and which teams were going to be in each.

From that, you work on the theories that a regional is defined as tough by the average years of experience, and that the older a team gets, the tougher they are to beat, whether through people experience or game experience (though this is pretty faulty, it works ). The averages can then be used to see which one is "tougher".

Knowing the forums, someone's got to have some free time/enough pent up pre-kickoff energy to burn in making a new one. Anyone upto the challenge? You don't have to check out the age for each team; post-98, they can be discerned by number, and pre-98 can probably be found with a bit of digging.



Ok, some incentive....I'll bake cookies for whomever makes the spreadsheet! Ken Leung can vouch that they are worth it.

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Re: Most Competitive Regional

I'd say that the UTC Regional was the most competitive I've been too. There are always great teams there.
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

actually it depends on what part of the competion you focus on(we all know everyone is entersted in winning overall i mean like rookie all star and such......). i think that the Lone Star Regional is the most competitive rookie regional. there are i think like 12 rookie teams at our regional and all are goood teams so far. i also have evidence in the fact that the rookie all star that won nats. rookie all star last year came from LSR.
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