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Re: Most Competitive Regional

Ok here is my predicions on the hardest regionals to win (as far as the east coast goes I have no ideas having not been out to the west in years as to how intense the west ones are)
1.VCU Regional-has always been a hard one to win b/c of the fact it's one of the first ones and one of the largest I'd say.
2. Palmetto State- has many "older teams" that will have already been to at least one other regional and at least 11 of the teams have a track record that says they can build kick butt robots consistently.
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NH by far will always be the most competitive regional, formaly UTC but all of the good teams shifted to NH last year and stayed this year!
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

Competetiveness in NJ:

My advisor's team (my team) having to face, and eventually eliminate, my advisor's son's team, and our rookie team, in the semi-finals.
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

This seems to be one of those ("this is the thread that never ends") threads....

You know, no matter how much we go back and forth on it, there's not going to be a clear-cut answer. Yes, there are some regionals that may be harder than others, but noone can say for sure that X Regional is better than all the others. You can't go by number of years a regional has been around...because newer regionals that crop up in areas with an older regional split up the area teams....which theoretically cuts the competitiveness.

My main point, though, is that this is also basically because none of us actually go to all the regionals (if you do, let me know so that I can shake your hand)....and you can't make a statement about which is most competitive unless you go to all of them. And even then, you'd only be one voice....you'd need a small group going to each regional and then voting afterwards on a series of points that relate to actual competitiveness, since not all of the people are going to look at everything.

I still stand by my point that taking an average age of competing teams at each regional will give you an experience score and thus show you which regional has the oldest teams at it, but whether that is a true statement of competitiveness is hard to say.

I also think we've beaten this subject to death, but that's just me.
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I also think we've beaten this subject to death, but that's just me.
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Uh oh....
cans...
worms... (as someone else has said)

What defines most competitive regional?
Number of quality teams?
How to define quality team?
Deepest field (top to bottom)?
Past performance?
Most parity?
What teams from what regions of the country do better at the Championship?
Is there any way to know these things?

Anyone want to make a pitch for the NJ Regional as one of the most competitive in the country?

-Steps back waiting for Big Mike, WayneC, Aignam, and the others...
No need to step back- just a need to step up if you are going to compete at the NJ Regional- for a long time the most competitive and diverse regional.

Thats my biased opinion.

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No need to step back- just a need to step up if you are going to compete at the NJ Regional- for a long time the most competitive and diverse regional.

Thats my biased opinion.

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Whether it was tough or not, I must say that it was the coolest regional to go to in the New-England area, with it being held in the barn at Rutgers. I loved driving for hours and hours just to wait in line...and IF you did get in, then you got to sit practically on top of the field ! <---no sarcasm there, people, I really do love that regional.

When I read that they changed the venue, I was sad
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

I'll also say that Rutgers was my favorite regional compared to the ones I've gone to in Connecticut. Don't get me wrong, the Connecticut ones are good but Rutgers just seemed to have something going for it. Maybe it's as Jess mentioned about going there and finally getting in after waiting hours and sitting right next to the field that made it worthwhile! I also liked the fact it gave me a reason to go back to my home state. I'm originally from Wanaque, located in northern Passaic county.
Where are the NJ regionals located now?
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

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Where are the NJ regionals located now?
The NJ Regional, formerly the J&J Mid-Atlantic Regional, will be located this year at the Sovereign Bank Arena in Trenton, NJ. This venue is exponentially larger and has plenty of room for expansion. More information available at www.njfirst.org.
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

Hi to all ------- HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!!!!
We at team 88 TJ2 started in 96 in NH that was the first year for us, then it was of to the new reg. in NJ 1997 with tire tubes etc what a great time we have had in FIRST. NH NJ TX FL CT LI and Mini comps after nats. I think each year it is different power to each reg. We all like our own teams and our own regs. but that is part of the fun with the ROBOTS. Check out some of the early years it was very different and hard on YOUR own " no partners" Then we can talk, no one to put the blame on but yourself. Like Football what team is better ????? or who was JIM BROWN ?????? or #5 for GB back in the old days each year is different ---- GOOOoooo PATS ------- How about RUMBLE AT THE ROCK ??????? Teams going 100's of miles in cars and buses in JULY ???? to see what will happen !!!!!!!!
Team 1 - 23 - 25 - 19 - 40 - 45 -47 - 56 - 42 - 61 - 65 - 75 - 95 - 157 - 100 - 180 - 190 - 65 - 126 - 133 - 501 - 16 - 25 - 41 - 66 - 103 - 131 - 68 - 140 - 175 - 173 - 71 - 111 - 69 - 121 - 211 - 191 - 102 - 213 - 365 - ONLY some of the early ones ETC ETC ETC ETC and 88 -----
oh yeah ???? OH YEAH !!!!
Just some of the early years I could go on for ever with this, see me at the 04 regs. and we can talk if you would like.
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Re: Most Competitive Regional

most competitive regional is where TJ goes... hahaha just kidding.... But I don't know this is a tough question... I think though the Canadian Regional with like 80 teams going... I wish wwe could go there...
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where did I say anything about ALL the midwest teams?

I've been to regionals at Rutgers, Philly, Cleveland, Toronto and Ive been to the championship a couple times.

There are teams Ive encountered from the midwest that come across as snooty, and somewhat arrogant - usually its teams that are well funded, sending the bot to a regional EVERY week, pouring tons of money into their machines, and its obvious that a great deal of the work on the machine was professionally done, not done by the students

I am talking about the students on the teams, not the mentors. Maybe the kids on those teams were frustrated. Maybe they equate the amount of money spent on their team and bot with 'superiour'

I have also observed that teams on which the students have done most or sometimes all of the work on the bot, they have a better understanding of what it takes to build a machine, and they tend to be more humble and understanding with other teams - that type of hands on experience teaches you humility quickly, not arrogance.

Why get upset with me for observing that some teams act snooty and arrogant. Go back and read this thread - the teams doing the most boasting, and attempting to back up those boast with illogical rational ARE in the same area.

Detroit doesnt hold a monopoly on anything. Maybe 50 years ago, but not now - there are outstanding engineering businesses and sponsors all around the world, and outstanding FIRST teams at all regionals.

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I didnt say they were, I asked if I misunderstood the question (what they mean by 'competitive') and if they meant agressive instead of friendly - I didnt say all the midwest teams are not helpfull

I said some of them have an attitude. You can help another team and still be stuck on yourself. In fact, this is something you have to be VERY carefull of when helping another team, that you are doing so with a cooperative and compassionate spirit, not 'showing' them how much better you are by fixing their bot for them.

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Re: Most Competitive Regional

If this were football or basketball or baseball then it'd be easy to say which teams dominate what regionals but the competition in FIRST changes from year to year. New teams are formed and old teams are dissolved. Students and mentors come and go.
Thus there is no such thing as "the most competitive regional."
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