blocking

[matt111]

i was thinking of blocking the other teams purple ball corral (lol that sounds so fruity) hence no balls for the hummies. comments?

[Trinora]

You'd need to get over there in 15 seconds or less without controlling your robot, using only autonomous.

Still, it doesn't really SOUND legal.

[Arefin Bari]

blocking would be a great idea... but its better to make sure it doesnt say anything against blocking in the rule... keep in mind that you would want to give your human players the balls from your side... but the idea is perfect for elimination round.....

[Lil' Lavery]

Im not sure about blocking the ball chute, but blocking shots isnt allowed once they've begun to travle downwards, so that might also apply to the corral.

[matt111]

i knew i had a winner

auto mode for this is easy...while the rest are messing with the toilet flanges (and will undoubtible get urs for u....) u just sneak over and ownz0r there corral

however, ur ally gives u balls

only minor problem...2 corrals per team, but still if nothing else u can steal some of there balls

i have another good idea but its a secret :X

[Aaron Lussier]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Im not sure about blocking the ball chute, but blocking shots isnt allowed once they've begun to travle downwards, so that might also apply to the corral.

Rule G20, and I haven't seen anything about blocking the ball chute.

[Jeremy L]

this really isn't a good idea if you want to get anywhere in qualifying rounds...if they get no points you get it in the shorts.

[danielkitchener]

Ok...here's the deal:
Rule G20 states that there's no goaltending and de-scoring balls.
Goaltending is defined as interfering with the downward motion of the ball
As soon as balls leave the corral, they are traveling downwards.
Conclusion: This is against the rules.
Correct me if I'm wrong

[stuy694]

I remember last year there was talk about whether a robot that released a second bot was legal. I believe that is was concluded that at long as the second robot was connected to the first and that only one control system was being used it was legal.
So, if we were allowed to block the entrance to the corral someone could theoretically build a bot the drove in front of one corral and release a second bot to block the other corral making it impossible for the other team to score more than 100 points. This would be too broken leading me to think that FIRST will, in an update, ban the blocking of corrals. Anyone else have thoughts?

[Paul Marshall]

I believe that people are talking about blocking balls on their way into the corral from the floor of the arena, not as the human players throw them out. As for detaching your robot. I belive under the current rules that you could as long as both parts stay tethered and there is no danger of entanglement. Not sure about that, relying on shaky memory of past games. As for the legality of blocking the corral's. I would agree that it doesn't sound legal/in the spirit of gracious professionalism, but I don't see anything in the rules saying you can or cannot do it.

[computhief263]

If i remember correctly for kickoff this morning (correct me if im wrong) that the scoring was as follows:

No matter who wins or by how many points all the teams from that round get the loosing alliences score. so lets say u beat the opposing allience by a score of 120 to 20. arent u only getting 20 qualifying points?

I think this is only for the seeding rounds, but still if u block the opposing teams corrals arent u only hurting urself in the end in terms or qualifying points?

Like i said i could be wrong or misunderstood wut was said, i havent reviewed the whole manuel yet, so feel free to correct me

[Paul Marshall]

If you win in the qualifying you get 2 Qualifying Point. All 4 teams get the number of Ranking Points equal to the losing alliances score. Teams are seeded first by Qualifying Points and if there is a tie, Ranking Points are used to break the tie. Thus, in my opinion, winning 100 - 0 is not that big of a deal, from a purely stategic point of view.

[DaBruteForceGuy]

....With a will there is a way.... You probabaly could (or atleast i probably could) design a mechanism that blocks both chutes.... But strategically it isn;t exatly the most efficient path to follow. I also have a feeeling that they are gpoing to put it in an update because it voids the game.... it also isn't, well, nice. cause it isn;t beneficial to either team and you could make alot of enemys doing that.... anybody else wanna comment?

[Lil' Lavery]

If you get a 80-10 win the 10 points are attributed to all 4 teams, but they serve more as tie breaker point. Your W-L-T is whats important. Also if you constantly shut out opponents you wont have lots of those points but you'll have a good W-L and even if you dont your chances of getting picked as an alliance partner are high.

[BandChick]

i'm going to have to go with, yes, this is probably legal, but all in all not the best idea.