*4 multiplier? *8!??!?

[Mike Rush]

in 4.3.1 Definitions
CAPPING – A LARGE ball is considered to be CAPPING a goal if it is SUPPORTED by the goal poles and/or SCORED SMALL Balls.

in 4.4.1 Scoring

<G02> a LARGE ball CAPPING a goal doubles the SMALL balls SCORED within that goal.

Does this meaan if you can support the three large yellow balls on one goal only supported by the goal poles and/or the scored small balls that it would be a 8 multiplier??

[Trinora]

...Yes.

[GregTheGreat]

Originally Posted by Mike Rush

in 4.3.1 Definitions
CAPPING – A LARGE ball is considered to be CAPPING a goal if it is SUPPORTED by the goal poles and/or SCORED SMALL Balls.

in 4.4.1 Scoring

<G02> a LARGE ball CAPPING a goal doubles the SMALL balls SCORED within that goal.

Does this meaan if you can support the three large yellow balls on one goal only supported by the goal poles and/or the scored small balls that it would be a 8 multiplier??

I think that as of now the rule states that this can be done (I haven't looked at the manual throughly enough to make a full judgement).

HOWEVER...

FIRST will probabally state that the maximum multiplier can be 2X.... If not I think that every team will be trying to stuff all the "big balls" in the goals.

-Greg The Great

[353Pobots]

I do not believe the goals are large enough to hold a larege ball inside of them. During kickoff they showed a goal with little balls but still covered with the large ball. Also in the manual section 3(the arena) it has a picture of the goals toped with the large balls. The goals are empty so i figure the goals must be around 25 inches in diameter. So you are not able to have more than 2x multiplier in one goal. Also I believe the 2x multiplier only works once in multiplying the small balls.

[BandChick]

i think if this were allowed then, yes, it would be possible, but not propable. from the video feed it's pretty obvious that once a few smaller balls are in the goals it's hard or near impossible to fit more than one BIG ball in the goal.

[abeD]

I interpreted it as that if you have small balls in the stationary goal with a 2x ball on top the points in that goal get doubled, and if u have a 2x ball on top of the movable goal the points in there will be doubled.

[353Pobots]

If you have a 2X multiplier on 2 different goals...then the points in one goal is doubled, and the points in the other is doubled. Not both of them added then quadrupled. Still the large ball doesn't fit inside of the goal, even the stationary ones with the lowered front.

[Squeaky]

Im pretty sure that this isn't possible. I've read the manual and the goals have a diameter of 28" whereas the 2x ball has a diameter of 30". Yes the pvc is a little bit flexible but you aren't going to be able to balance a second 2x ball on top of the first without touching it (which it wouldn't count anyway). I don't think there will be a rule that says anything about it being considered a 4x or 8x goal, but i don't think it's possible.

[Munkaboo]

Originally Posted by 353Pobots

If you have a 2X multiplier on 2 different goals...then the points in one goal is doubled, and the points in the other is doubled. Not both of them added then quadrupled. Still the large ball doesn't fit inside of the goal, even the stationary ones with the lowered front.

^Speaks the truth. A 2x ball in a goal doesn't double the overall score, it only doubles the score in that goal.

[353Pobots]

If you did hold it so it balances ontop of the first 2x multiplier, the one you are touching becomes a part of your robot, for the time being. If I'm not mistaken this would in turn make the other 2x multiplier a part as well, and if this is the case, both 2x multipliers become non-countable. Also, the pvc is only flexable at the top, you cant flex it where it is held in place, so the pvc is only flexable for about a quater of it. It isn't even flexable enough for the ball to go in.

[GregTheGreat]

Here might be a way... I have not checked the exact demensions yet so if it is "measurably impossible" just ignore this.

Note: I did it in paint in less then 2 minutes.... no time for photoshop in this fast paced day of ChiefDelphi.

[Lil' Lavery]

My team had a discussion about this earlier today, and we came to the conclusion that it isnt possible. The yellow bals must be supported by the goal and SCORING purple balls. In order to be scoring it must be supported by the goal or other scoring purple balls. So you couldnt have purple balls on top of a yellow ball then other yellow balls on them. Plus Yellow Balls can only be supported by 1 goal, so you cant "bridge" them to double 2 goals. In order for the yellow balls to be counted as capping it can only be supported by 1 goal and scoring purple balls, so therefore you cant get a 4,6, or 8x mult.
Note:FIRST will probably release a rules change that clarifies this.

[Lil' Lavery]

Also the yellow balls do NOT fit into the goals without causing them to flex outwards. Anyway, i think even if it were possible the wording would mean it would be 6x mult not an 8. It doubles the balls scored not the points of the balls scored.

[Lil' Lavery]

4.3.1 Definitions
SCORED – A SMALL ball is SCORED when it is contained within a goal or SUPPORTED only by the goal and/or other SCORED SMALL balls. A ball is not considered SCORED if it is touching a ROBOT of that alliance or is SUPPORTED by a structural part of the field other than the goal.

CAPPING – A LARGE ball is considered to be CAPPING a goal if it is SUPPORTED by the goal poles and/or SCORED SMALL Balls. A LARGE ball is not considered to be CAPPING a goal if it is touching an alliance ROBOT (of that goal’s color) or is SUPPORTED by more than one goal or a structural part of the field.

[iCHiMaHoCV]

I think that you wouldn't be able to put the 2x multiplier ball in any of the goals because if you noticed in the kick-off video the 2x multiplier ball stuck out a LOT when it was capping the two goals. Unless you can find a way to squash it with a lot of force into the larger goal then it might be possible, but that would probably be more trouble then its worth.