*4 multiplier? *8!??!?

[353Pobots]

The stationary goals are has a diameter of 28 inches. The pvc piping is 2 inches thick. The has the 28 inch diameter as well.(3.2.2.2 and 3.2.3). Now the large ball is inflated to 30 inch diameter. That doesn't fit in the goal.

[iCHiMaHoCV]

Yes, but the back three or four pvc pipes are taller then the front three and they appeared to have been able to bend more easily, you could then have the robot "stuff" the 2x multiplier into the goal, thus causing the taller pvc piping to bend backwards, but it would require a lot of strength and it probably wouldn't work too well.

[tkwetzel]

You could place two large balls on the stationary goals, because the pvc is of two different lengths. One ball in one of those goals will stick out, but not as far as the 8" tall pvc, so you could support a second and possibly third on the first tellow ball and the 8" tall pvc. However, a capping ball may not be supported by a large ball, so it would not count for extra points.

[GregTheGreat]

Originally Posted by iCHiMaHoCV

I think that you wouldn't be able to put the 2x multiplier ball in any of the goals because if you noticed in the kick-off video the 2x multiplier ball stuck out a LOT when it was capping the two goals. Unless you can find a way to squash it with a lot of force into the larger goal then it might be possible, but that would probably be more trouble then its worth.

I just try to analize every possibility.... the more knowelge the better.... You never know a magic ball stuffing machine might be seen at a regional... especally with how many teams there are this year.... and so so many aspects of the '04 game.

-Greg The Great

[353Pobots]

I don't believe the piping will bend as much as you think. 2 inch pvc doesn't bend as easy as you think.

[tkwetzel]

The PVC does not need to bend to support all three large balls. The rear PVC on the stationary goals appears to stick out about 3-4" above one large ball capping that goal. This means you could place the other large balls between this PVC and the first large ball capping that goal.

[iCHiMaHoCV]

Maybe you're right, but I'm just going off of what I saw on the broadcast. Because when the human players were shooting at the stationary goal those 5 point balls were making the pvc pipes flop around quite a bit...who knows, maybe some teams will take this direction and we will see this at regional. It will be interesting if it works too! Except it would limit the amount of points the opposing team can get...

[Lil' Lavery]

It doesnt matter if you can stuff it in there or not, it doesnt count as capping, therefor wont score you more points. Look at the definitions.

[353Pobots]

Originally Posted by tkwetzel

The PVC does not need to bend to support all three large balls. The rear PVC on the stationary goals appears to stick out about 3-4" above one large ball capping that goal. This means you could place the other large balls between this PVC and the first large ball capping that goal.

The stationary goals have a 8 foot back and a 6 foot front. Now the ball is a 30 inch diameter(2 1/2 feet). If the ball is 6 inches more than the difference of heigh in the pvc, then the pvc can't stick out above the large ball, even if it bends a little.

[Jake177]

Originally posted by 353Pobots
If you did hold it so it balances ontop of the first 2x multiplier, the one you are touching becomes a part of your robot, for the time being.

When I read this rule I couldn't help but think that it came out of something that happened to us at the New England Regional in 2001. Our bot was in the endzone, holding onto a large ball. We then fell over and the end of our arm crossed over the pipe on the perimeter of the field. Fortunately the ball supported the end of our arm so that we were not touching the floor outside of the field. After about 5 minutes of looking through the rules, the judges decided that we weren't out of bounds, since no part of the bot was touching outside of the field, and they awarded us the 10 points for being in the endzone. Of course, now the ball would be considered part of the bot and we wouldn't have received the points.

[tkwetzel]

The stationary goals have a 8 foot back and a 6 foot front. Now the ball is a 30 inch diameter(2 1/2 feet). If the ball is 6 inches more than the difference of heigh in the pvc, then the pvc can't stick out above the large ball, even if it bends a little.

353Pobots, You have not accounted for the amount of the ball that sits inside the goal when placed on top.

[IrisLab]

At the Man. Kickoff today after the NASA telecast, a few mentors stuffed three yellow (30") balls into one scoring goal. Enough room at the bottom for about 4 small balls. If those at the bottom are yellow (4x10=40) and you have a (6x or 8x) multipler, the score would be 240 or 320 respectively.

We asked Woody about this situation and he was unable to clarify. Essentially, FIRST will need to issue a clarification on this issue.

The 30" balls will squeeze into the goals but they flex the tubing.

[Ken Loyd]

Dear Readers,

I rank Mike Rush right behind Dean and Woodie and 1 step ahead of Dave. If it is made legal to get three yellow balls in a goal, Mike will find a way!

Ken Loyd
Team 64

[iCHiMaHoCV]

Was there a lot of pressure when trying to push to balls down that deep? I would imagine there was...

[Bduggan04]

Why would would you want to put all three of them in a single goal. 3 Large Balls = 90" into a 96" goal (assuming you could get them there). Then say you could even manage to get 4 13" 5pt balls in that 6" space. You would have a score of 160. It seems much easier to get 16 little balls in and put one large ball on top. It also seems like you would be more likely to do it (or come close) in the time frame given.