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Re: Legality of Blocking Ball Chutes

If any bot tries to block our corral openings, our bot will drag them to the highest yard-arm and hang em by their wires

making sure they are touching the ground with one wheel :c0

while you are busy blocking a corral opening, the opponent bot can be busy stuffing balls in the other one, going after the 2x balls, dragging your small goal away from your team - capping your goal with a 2x ball so you cant score

why would you want to tell your own bot to go sit in the corner? Does it have a bad attitude?
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Re: Legality of Blocking Ball Chutes

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If any bot tries to block our corral openings, our bot will drag them to the highest yard-arm and hang em by their wires

making sure they are touching the ground with one wheel :c0

while you are busy blocking a corral opening, the opponent bot can be busy stuffing balls in the other one, going after the 2x balls, dragging your small goal away from your team - capping your goal with a 2x ball so you cant score

why would you want to tell your own bot to go sit in the corner? Does it have a bad attitude?
Ken I agree with you that blocking only one ball chute is not worth the time and effort. Now if you were to block both ball chutes what would you do???


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Re: Legality of Blocking Ball Chutes

anything that is wide enough to block both corral openings would have to be, what? 24 feet wide?

assuming your bot is in the center of those wings, thats a 12 foot lever

I dont care how much traction or weight your bot has, if I grab the end of the 12 foot lever I will drag your bot all over the field - turning the wings into pretzels in the process.

BTW - rules state nothing can detach from your bot. nothing can be tethered either
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Re: Legality of Blocking Ball Chutes

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anything that is wide enough to block both corral openings would have to be, what? 24 feet wide?

assuming your bot is in the center of those wings, thats a 12 foot lever

I dont care how much traction or weight your bot has, if I grab the end of the 12 foot lever I will drag your bot all over the field - turning the wings into pretzels in the process.

BTW - rules state nothing can detach from your bot. nothing can be tethered either
It's hard to grab something flush against a diamond plate wall.
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Re: Legality of Blocking Ball Chutes

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It's hard to grab something flush against a diamond plate wall.

Looks like we are thinking the same thing....NJ should be fun
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Heh, oh it will be. NJ always puts out some good competition. We'll see what 25 thinks up this year...
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Re: Legality of Blocking Ball Chutes

if your wings are exactly 24 feet wide, then you would have to center your bot perfectly before opening them, which would be impossible

so the wings would have to be a little shorter than the width of the field - meaning there would be small openings at both ends

besides, to deploy said wings, the end of the field would have to be completely clear of balls, or they would keep them from being flush with the walls.
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Re: Legality of Blocking Ball Chutes

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if your wings are exactly 24 feet wide, then you would have to center your bot perfectly before opening them, which would be impossible

so the wings would have to be a little shorter than the width of the field - meaning there would be small openings at both ends

besides, to deploy said wings, the end of the field would have to be completely clear of balls, or they would keep them from being flush with the walls.
It's 6 feet across, so only 6 feet wings to block the ball return. But if you do that, you won't make any good friends.

Trust me when I say you can't controll the game, only play it. Sparky 3.0 won the design award at VCU in 2002, but failed horribly in the finals, and didn't even make it to the finals in Champs. It wanted to controll the game. Guess what. I couldn't have. Build a bot that can do one thing and do it well, and stick to it. Then build around that. Sparky 4 was built for 2 things: bin maneuvering & fast autonomous mode. Stacking, throwing bins, and everything else came latter as the pieces feel into place. You must design with the intention of not being a one-man army, but working with partners. Sparky 3.0 didn't work well with others. It failed. Same with all the other ramp blockers from last year. Also, alliance partners pick on strengths and how you complement them, not if you try to dominate the game and they just sit around the theoretically twiddle their thumbs!
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Re: Legality of Blocking Ball Chutes

yes, 6 feet wide on both sides of the endfield - so your wings would have to span 24 feet to block both of them.
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yes, 6 feet wide on both sides of the endfield - so your wings would have to span 24 feet to block both of them.
OH! I see now. Stupid me....
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Re: Legality of Blocking Ball Chutes

JosephM is exactly right. Do not try and control the game. That is why Sparky v3.0 just sits over in a corner as a reminder to what not to do in competition. You will not have to torque to stand up against two opponents, you can not make your wings strong enough without exausting any and all funds, and you won't be quick overall. And if you have the money to build those wings, think, if a bot can grab the end of one of those wings, and starts pulling back you are over. You can turn the other wing into a fulcrum, then the bot pulling on you can easily turn the rest of you into a lever. With this leverage, your wings will bend, and you are over. From a design standpoint, you really should not build a bot that covers the corrals. Also trying to build a bot that makes a wall over the area that the balls are shot from can't happen. Defense is not a good way to play this game.
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Re: Legality of Blocking Ball Chutes

Um guys, I was serious when I suggested a bot that could break into two parts connected by a tether and block both goals. If you make both sections wedged and added small wings to each you have both corrals blocked.

Though personally I think blocking corrals is the wrong way to make friends and play this years game.
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Re: Legality of Blocking Ball Chutes

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JosephM is exactly right. Do not try and control the game. That is why Sparky v3.0 just sits over in a corner as a reminder to what not to do in competition. You will not have to torque to stand up against two opponents, you can not make your wings strong enough without exausting any and all funds, and you won't be quick overall. And if you have the money to build those wings, think, if a bot can grab the end of one of those wings, and starts pulling back you are over. You can turn the other wing into a fulcrum, then the bot pulling on you can easily turn the rest of you into a lever. With this leverage, your wings will bend, and you are over. From a design standpoint, you really should not build a bot that covers the corrals. Also trying to build a bot that makes a wall over the area that the balls are shot from can't happen. Defense is not a good way to play this game.
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Ok. Sorry to just but into a conversation but I agree almost completely here. All except for the point of playing defense is a bad idea. I happen to find it a very ggod idea to manipulate your opponents goal and cap their large goal for point controling. I know there are problems with that, but theoretically one could do this very easily. Let em have the balls! They're worthless if they aren't able to put them in anything in the goals!
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Ok. Sorry to just but into a conversation but I agree almost completely here. All except for the point of playing defense is a bad idea. I happen to find it a very ggod idea to manipulate your opponents goal and cap their large goal for point controling. I know there are problems with that, but theoretically one could do this very easily. Let em have the balls! They're worthless if they aren't able to put them in anything in the goals!
And nobody was against that, just the designs where you would controll the game, the people who want to have a robot that can hand off the bar, move multiplyers, and push balls into the corrals.
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