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Unread 11-01-2004, 23:29
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Re: Good strategy?

I think it is a fine strategy. Many, if not all, of the 'bots SHOULD be able to knock off the ball. I would suggest that your 'bot also be able to knock the Bonus Ball off and not catch the falling balls. Just in case.
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Re: Good strategy?

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I think it is a fine strategy. Many, if not all, of the 'bots SHOULD be able to knock off the ball. I would suggest that your 'bot also be able to knock the Bonus Ball off and not catch the falling balls. Just in case.
That seems like the best option. The strategy itself seems pretty good.
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Re: Good strategy?

Our team talked about something along those lines. Maybe not catching them and containing them all but having a way to direct them towards the chutes instead of them bouncing away. We decided against it, we thought other aspects of the game were more important....well, not more important, just other things would give us a larger advantage in the game.
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Re: Good strategy?

Our team also thought about the arm/tethered bot, however, the arm would be difficult over that distance, and the tethered bot would still have to be able to knock the ball off in 15 sec., so there were arguments that shot that down.
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Re: Good strategy?

actaully I think you have nailed the 'ideal' ball gathering concept - get them while they are most concentrated in time and location - that is, all at once

I noticed you mentioned a net - that is an implemtation detail - there are many ways to catch them as they fall.

as for the release ball - your side will have 6 starter balls behind the wall at the start of the game - even if the release ball is not moved, the 18 balls on your side will fall 30 seconds after auton ends

that gives your side 5 seconds / ball to shoot the starter balls, then the 18 drop and you have 75 seconds left - still 4 seconds per ball if you can deliver them quickly to the corral

so even in your worst case, you end up with control of 24 balls with a potential score of 120 points - just for your bot alone - not bad at all! in fact, that is the MOST points that one robot can 'score' if it can only do one thing!

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Re: Good strategy?

a funnel would give only one side of the alliance the balls, thus hurting the time it takes to get them into the goals. Also, what if your alliance has a bad autonomous?
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Re: Good strategy?

If your alliance partner has a bad autonomous mode, you either wait till 45 seconds, as mentioned by KenWittlief or you go after other objectives. Whis will not kill you if you can still get under the drop consistently and efficiently. You may throw a few matches, but you will most likely be chosen by a team for finals if you can control the balls and they can get knock the 10 pointer.
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Re: Good strategy?

Hey guys! I have just been reading this and I came up with an idea, which im not sure if its illegal. U know how u can cover your side with a net or pole? Well have u thought about doing the same exact thing on the other side of the field (with a telescopic pole). I mean the rules state that you cannot goal tend. Or block a ball on its fall. But wat about doing it to the ball slots on the other side. =P Its just a thought
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Re: Good strategy?

That has been debated here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=23651
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Re: Good strategy?

That last post of mine was referring to blocking the ball chutes.
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Re: Good strategy?

ok well i read the post and understood it. My next question is it good to grab the 10 pt ball in the autonomous mode or hit it

Is it illegal to smack the pvc bars underneath the ball and try to get it inside the arena?

Also i noticed that the upper deck is a foot high. With torques involved, is there a good way to get up there?
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Re: Good strategy?

Its a foot high off the ground, so if you are on the first platform(which is 6" off the floor) then you only have to go up another 6" to get to the top platform
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Re: Good strategy?

I like the idea, I also mentioned it in a post http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=23680.
But I'd also like to ask, how often as robots gonna hit/knock down both trigger balls in autonomous mode as there is like a foot of space between the two. Cuz if its likely that your opponent will trigger both ball releases then this design has a much better chance of winning even if your partner can't trigger the ball release.
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Re: Good strategy?

Ok. Now I have to make you look at the flip side. The cost, weight, power, and size of the robot are HUGE factors if you want to make a device like this especially the height issue. Not to mention how easy it is to break that. And, you may have a problem if you want to get the 50 points there for the taking. It's a good startegy if your robot is not able to do anything else for about a minute in the match.
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Re: Good strategy?

It is easy to design a catch system with enough power, strength, and size to accomplish this. And it should not be that exspensive either. And it still a good strategy, even if you still want to do other stuff.
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