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Unread 24-02-2004, 23:04
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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

I don't post a whole lot of messages on Chief Delphi, but as a member of a team that has been doing this for ten years I feel very obligated to throw all of my support behind heretic and solace... 177 is building a robot that will control small balls very well this year... we will also be able to control all 3 2x balls at the same time AND we will be able to hang from the carpet...bots who hang during autonomous WASTE 1:45... better to have a robot that will play the whole match
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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

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i will HIGHLY disagree with this... once autonomus is done, the mobile goal is pushed to the wall, 1 HP shoots into the mobile, the other into the stationary... while the goal is being pushed the 2x is taken off, and holds onto the ball... caps 2!!! yes 2 of the 2x and thats AT LEAST 60 points... not inculding if you hang thats 110 right there with no extra small balls....

likely no.. but its still like something thats going to be highly needed for teams that are ONLY working w/ small balls and not worrying about hanging... espically teams with hoppers...

so this is why the capping the 2x WILL make it into the finals AS LONG AS they can herd balls like mad good and have a good HP =D
who says that if a bot has a hopper that it can't cap a goal?
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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

im supported... wow... thats a first on the CD forums w00t LOL!!! if your at nats ill be looking for ya 177... or at BAE or UTC (to lazy to look at lists lol!)

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when did i say that a good ball herder couldnt cap the 2x!?! its to late lol!
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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

hey David, I didn't know that your bot could do the big balls. It must have evolved alot since when I saw it at the UTC scrimmage.
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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

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im supported... wow... thats a first on the CD forums w00t LOL!!! if your at nats ill be looking for ya 177... or at BAE or UTC (to lazy to look at lists lol!)
We will be at UTC and Philly, then after we win those (seeing as how our robot does everything, including a mod on the technokats drivetrain) we will hopefully be at nats... I also look forward to seeing 121, I was a fan of your 2002 bot with that backboard I thought it was cool lol
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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

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hey David, I didn't know that your bot could do the big balls. It must have evolved alot since when I saw it at the UTC scrimmage.
You might recall that tower that stuck up in the back of the bot... we had made a monocock arm the night before but had no time to mount it... but come on guys honestly, we are the bobcats, after 2002 do you honestly think we would ever make another robot without an arm?
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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

Successful robots will rely on there alliance more this year in previous year. There will be few robot who do everything effectively and almost none that can consistently win matches by themselves.

Those who do everything will do well in Qualifying but will be knocked out in the finals.

Small balls were overlooked by many teams.

Effective small ball gathering almost gurantees you a spot in finals.

Human Players with no balls will be hugely ineffective.

The 2x ball and hanging will make the show though.

People will be angry about how penalties are called.

Everything won't be the same from competition to competition.

It will take an amazing alliance of robots to win this.

2 minutes will seem shorter this year.

It will be fun and exciting, maybe more than normal.

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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

There will be at least one robot that will expand to cover the entire top platform, with legs down on the sides to maintain location. It will also have an arm that will be held down by power, and retract when power is removed. This robot will also be in the finals.

I see FIRST event equipment(camera, scoring) being damaged by flying balls at atleast one regional.

I see volunteer field resetters overshooting the ball dump and landing a ball on the head of some unsuspecting student/robot behind the player station.

I see alot of robots falling over backwards trying to climb the first stair and blocking movement on that half the field.

I see alot of wheelie bars being added on Tursday afternoon.


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There will be at least one robot that will expand to cover the entire top platform, with legs down on the sides to maintain location. It will also have an arm that will be held down by power, and retract when power is removed. This robot will also be in the finals.
I see a robot that does this that when power is removed it folds itselves in and lifts itself ups. If it is fast, including up the platform, it will win a regional and be in national finals.
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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

ngreen... you did mention that effective small ball gathering will get you to finals... only IF!!!!! they have a good human player... and a good strat w/ the other human player...

cordination between the two HP's will be HUGELY critical before the match starts... like who gets the first throw and to tell eachother when they are out of balls... or if one is not skilled... passing the balls to the other may be a huge part if your team has one of the best robots, but a skill lacking HP...
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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

- Hangers are the eye catchers

- neglecting the small balls will be a loser

- most success will have the alliances that compliment each other best

- small ball gatherers seem to be rare - I predict those will be preferred picks in the finals

- herding will be difficult, and a lot of alliances will take each other out because of them darn little red balls ....

- vacuum cleaning between the matches to get all those lost bolts, nuts, and other robot parts off the field will be common!

- WE WILL ALL HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FUN! (anybody wanna challenge that prediction?)
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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

One thing is for sure - this year is going to be a ton of fun! When the game was unveiled, I knew it was going to be good, perhaps the best I've been in ('99 is still my favorite). After the open house at Team 537 on Sunday, my initial thought was confirmed. There is just so much going on in this game that a boring match will be very rare. The eliminations will be very unpredictable because like someone said, even a box on wheels can disrupt the best strategy this year. I just can't wait for regionals to start!

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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

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You might recall that tower that stuck up in the back of the bot... we had made a monocock arm the night before but had no time to mount it... but come on guys honestly, we are the bobcats, after 2002 do you honestly think we would ever make another robot without an arm?
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We on 229 were scared you were going arm-less!

It's good to know some things never change.

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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

Hanging robots that has power and can stop any other robot from hanging will be a hard robot to stop.

For those who can grab the bar from the carpet will be great but when there is a robot that can stop that then what?

What also will be a be plus for robots is a robot that grabs all the balls while they drop from the stack. this robot will be great.

the only thing would be if that robot goes up against two robot that can hang
115 point will be hard to beat. I will assume that the human can make 50%.

I always favor the low strong robots. Most of the time they come up on TOP.
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Re: Predicitions For The Rest Of Us

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The 12.5" wheels offer a bigger lever arm than most teams are used to. This will potentially allow larger forces to be transferred up the line to the remainder of the drive system than the smaller wheels. This will result in either very big currents through the motor windings or excessive stresses in drive system parts. Both will lead to rapid degradation of drive systems.
Rapid degredation? We have driven on our 12.5 wheels more in the preseason than they will probably ever get driven in the competition season...no issues thus far...i uess it will be a problem if you didnt plan for it...
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