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[OneAngryDaisy]

Could someone please describe what 303's bot looks like.. how many small balls can it hold, etc- sounds amazing

[Mike8519]

basically, its the sizing box, with channels for balls (Which will hopefully be the correct size tomorow) we had some trouble getting them out because the balls were not correctly inflated. 8-9 balls inside the bot. We can also piggy back a big ball while carrying another with our arms, two big balls.

[OneAngryDaisy]

Thats insane.. how about your drivetrain? And can you guys hang? we're also a small ball bot, we can hold 9 but no large balls

[Mike8519]

two drills, high speed, two wheel drive. No bar/platform. At this point im glad we deicided to abandon going up that huge step, i saw three teams in one match flip over. Its very unstable up there from what I saw.

[Alavinus]

Originally Posted by ErichKeane

Id have to say, for an absolute violation of GP, as well as fair sportsmanship, integrity, and fair play, we could make an exception. We dont boo because of performance or design, but we should boo for blatent disreguard for honor and integrity, the basis of the competition. I still would like to see a ruling put down on that one.

Blocking the goals is a legal and viable stratgey. I can see many cases where teams would use it (the 18 ball collectors-net-awesome robots for example) It has been legal from the beginning and a well designed robot should be able to account for that

Put me down on the list for a picture of 303's bot. Us Virginians need visual things

[galewind]

as per placing the goals to block a chute, I don't believe that's considered ungracious or unprofessional. I consider it a defensive strategy, which has all but been eliminated in this year's game. Team 25 has always tried to play a defensive game, and this is how they're doing it this year. Teams that have robots that can pull the mobile goals back away from their corral may be useful for solving this problem. We knew from day one that some teams would be attempting to do this in autonomous mode, and honestly, it's not a bad tactic.


As for our view of the competition, we're unfortunately having a lot of problems with the bot, so we've been a bit edgy. We unfortunately had to scrap our manipulator at virtually the last moment because of weight, and had to slap something together before ship date in under 3 days. Needless to say, it's not a beauty of engineering or anything like that -- in fact, we just hope it gets us up on the bar. Hopefully things will shape up tomorrow!

[ngreen]

Originally Posted by ErichKeane

I would like to pose this question: does anyone else think that team 25 and 102's moveable goal ramming would be considered ungracious/unprofessional?

It is neither ungracious or unprofessional. The question was posed to the FIRST Q&A board and would have been addressed as ungracious if they saw it that way. This is just another strategy of the game that could have been planned for. It is obvious that if the goals are in the corner by the corrals they are hard to get out no matter who pushes them there. It you design to expect that to happen enough that you see it as a major problem you add a latch to pull the goal from the corner.

When competing weakness are attacked and that includes your ability to manipulate the mobile goal. If you left a weakness their it is not ungracious to expose this weakness. It kind of like hackers who tell the companies how they hacked them so they can fix it. The problem associated with it can be fixed. You have to put some time into it. Assess the cost ie time vs result and find out if the problem is big enough to put time to get the the result you want.

And no body deserved to be booed. That would be unGP. Think how you would feel if someone booed you when you were playing. Not good.

[cyberknights195]

Today I was very suprised when i actually heard a team booing in the stands. I will not say the team name or number, but everytime the Who Ce Tecks would hang they would boo. I find this very un GP and hopefully if your from this certain team, you will realize that it is just not right.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

team 237 TRIBE (aka Sie-h2o-bots) had a great hanging arm. It took a while to get up, but when on top they could move back and forth.

[Madison]

Originally Posted by ErichKeane

Id have to say, for an absolute violation of GP, as well as fair sportsmanship, integrity, and fair play, we could make an exception. We dont boo because of performance or design, but we should boo for blatent disreguard for honor and integrity, the basis of the competition. I still would like to see a ruling put down on that one.

I can't believe that I find myself saying this, honestly, but, "two wrongs do not make a right."

I am astonished that this conversation needs to take place at all. I don't think it's possible to give enough negative reputation to properly express how I feel about this mentality.

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by ToMMan b182

team 237 TRIBE (aka Sie-h2o-bots) had a great hanging arm. It took a while to get up, but when on top they could move back and forth.

Thanks for the shout out! Yes, we can "shimmy" as we like to call it.
Our shimmy is a roller mechanism built into our claw/fist that allows us to move horizontally while hanging on the bar, to block other teams from hanging, and to allow our partners up on the bar if they need the room.

[Rich Wong]

Originally Posted by cyberknights195

Today I was very suprised when i actually heard a team booing in the stands. I will not say the team name or number, but everytime the Who Ce Tecks would hang they would boo. I find this very un GP and hopefully if your from this certain team, you will realize that it is just not right.

I hope that team doesn't boo on Friday or Saturday, because the Judges do take notes of the "booing" team number. So they are taking a chance themself with unGP!

[Aignam]

The booing conversation is ridiculous. This is FIRST. That sort of stuff doesn't happen here.

As for the strategy: C'mon. It's a good defensive strategy, and if it weren't, we wouldn't be having this discussion. You need to make the game interesting, and everyone has their own way of doing so. This is ours. Build your robot to pull them out, and you'd probably be a great asset to an alliance.

[cyberknights195]

Originally Posted by Aignam

The booing conversation is ridiculous. This is FIRST. That sort of stuff doesn't happen here.

As for the strategy: C'mon. It's a good defensive strategy, and if it weren't, we wouldn't be having this discussion. You need to make the game interesting, and everyone has their own way of doing so. This is ours. Build your robot to pull them out, and you'd probably be a great asset to an alliance.

Actually, it still happened even though it was FIRST...some teams just dont got any GP or if any, very little. Booing was heard in the stands yesterday, and every one was surprised. And the reason this thread turned into this is, the competition hasnt start yet....

[Aignam]

Originally Posted by cyberknights195

Actually, it still happened even though it was FIRST...some teams just dont got any GP or if any, very little. Booing was heard in the stands yesterday, and every one was surprised. And the reason this thread turned into this is, the competition hasnt start yet....

Well if this happens during a qualifying or elimination, I'll be shocked and dismayed.

BTW: I love your handouts. Good stuff