Do We have a trend here?

The Finals at both PNW and UCF were Deja Vue all over again.


First Match a Tie,
Second One alliance wins,
Third, Other alliance wins,
Fourth and final match determine winner.


This could be a nightmare demolition derby nationals - Best way to win is not be gracious and professional but bully the weaker of your opponents until the the last second and then hang. I really think there should be no ties in the elimination rounds. Best two out of three with highest points, highest qp, highest hanger, closest to the bar, coin flip breaking the tie at the end of 3.

I can just see the finals going until midnight, tie after tie.

[Ashley Weed]

I had realized this, however I had not put it into perspective of what will come of it at Nationals. I can see this highly possible as happening, and having extremely robust machines batling and able to fight till the end, match after match. However, I would think that by match 4, or match 5; soon therafter we would see one of the machines become "exhausted". Although, it would be sad to see, one of the alliances would get to the point, where they would no longer be able to compete due to unworking status.

...... Factors such as the balls and human player abilities will affect the outcomes though after time.

[Will Hanashiro]

hmmm.... "demolition derby" eh? could be a very strong possibility. the elims at GLR were very physical... by the end i doubt that any team team made it through eliminations without damaging/breaking their robot. time-outs were very common in the elims, where teams were rushing to get their robots fixed.

[NoRemorse]

yes, the GLR elim rounds where VERY physical. our robot was banged up pretty bad, and I was quite disaapointed that this was what the other teams did. But o well, we did much better than we could have hope for so great job to all the teams at GLR!!!

[Randy_VanW.]

Yeah GLR was brutal (I didnt mean to I swear (sry about the arm HOT)).. I mean I think I broke at least two things just trying to do what I was supolse to. Yeah go Alliance #8! (Bedford, Mach Vee, Chargers!) Well for us a Semi Final finish was great oh and great job to all the other teams there!

[Bduggan04]

Originally Posted by Will Hanashiro

hmmm.... "demolition derby" eh? could be a very strong possibility. the elims at GLR were very physical... by the end i doubt that any team team made it through eliminations without damaging/breaking their robot. time-outs were very common in the elims, where teams were rushing to get their robots fixed.

The time-out idea is odd because one of the reasons for having alliances was to prevent delays by having a backup robot if one broke. It was a little unnerving to see a robot hanging safely and then two seconds later it was lying on its back because a robot lifted it off the bar. That's why you build them strong.

[cybrsabr]

i think that if you have 3 ties, then they would just see how many points each alliance scored total in that round and that would determine who wins. It probally has something about it in the rule book.

[TGreen]

Originally Posted by Randy_VanW.

Yeah GLR was brutal (I didnt mean to I swear (sry HOT)).. I mean I think I broke at least two things just trying to do what I was supolse to. Yeah go Alliance #8! (Bedford, Mach Vee, Chargers!) Well for us a Semi Final finish was great oh and great job to all the other teams there!

Not to mention knocking out Wildstangs and Rush.... oh and breaking team 1481's arm

[WakeZero]

They did the best average out of 2 matches last year... it was horrible in my opinion. Best of three accounts for one team just having horrible luck in one of their matches... at least more than 2

[edomus]

Originally Posted by Bduggan04

The time-out idea is odd because one of the reasons for having alliances was to prevent delays by having a backup robot if one broke. It was a little unnerving to see a robot hanging safely and then two seconds later it was lying on its back because a robot lifted it off the bar. That's why you build them strong.

Did teams really get pushed off the bar once they were already hanging?!

[Randy_VanW.]

Yeah we can give credit to TNT for that one. The Dana Team with the red robot (the number slips me.. sry guys) was hanging on the bar then TNT hooked came right up underneath them and lifted them up and off the bar. I think that was the only time it happened at GLR but still that was quite the site to see.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by cybrsabr

i think that if you have 3 ties, then they would just see how many points each alliance scored total in that round and that would determine who wins. It probally has something about it in the rule book.

Nope, I don't think so. As far as I've seen in the rules, you could tie match after match and it'd keep going till one alliance got two wins.

Cory

[KenWittlief]

At the pittsburg regional the top seeded team, 808 was excellent at getting on the bar, and they crashed to the ground in the elimination matches.

Im not sure if the other bot that was pulling itself up snagged them a little on the way up, unhooking their bar, or if they snagged it somehow and added more weight than it could handle - I think their hook straighten out - they were eliminated in that round

Things werent really that rough at pittsburg, but we did get bashed twice in the very last match - our bot was herding balls on our side of the field, and an opponent bot came over and rammed us going quite fast, smashing two of our tri-wheels on one side.

then they rammed us on the other side, smashing those wheels as well

I saw lots of pushing and shoving around the platform and the bar - but that was the first time I saw a team ram a bot that was herding balls.

Will be interesting to see how this continues this year- we sustained about $750 damage in destroyed custom machined PVC wheels in that one match, and was a little surprized that no penalties were called for the incident.

[Cory]

The fact that a team would smash one side of your wheels sucks, whether it was intentional or not, but to go and do it again to the otherside is just donwright ugly. I really wonder how people can do something like that and then feel good about themselves for it.

Cory

[KenWittlief]

well we did learn something cool from the experience - triwheels will rotate around and put a good wheel on the floor when one has been broken - even with 4 of the 6 wheels in our triwheel pair totally smashed, our bot was still able to drag itself towards the corral, and push two more balls in

BTW - we literally lost the last match and missed being regional winner by an inch - our other alliance partner, team 1114 just couldnt quite get up off the floor - they were hook on the bar and just needed a few more seconds - if they had been up we would have won the match.