We did gloves FIRST?

[David Kelly]

Originally Posted by Brant Bowen

We had a whole arm mechanism in a backpackthat the driver wore. As she moved her elbow the robot moved its elbow. At the end I beleive there was a handle which controlled how open and closed the gripper was. I don't think there was a glove on it, but that was the year before I started, so I could be wrong.

http://www.cyberblue234.com/images/p...s/DSCF0206.gif

Here are some more pictures to what Brant showed. That year we won an award at every competition we competed in for its innovation

http://www.cyberblue234.com/cb2003/images/RobotArm/

[Ryan Albright]

Originally Posted by Brant Bowen

We had a whole arm mechanism in a backpackthat the driver wore. As she moved her elbow the robot moved its elbow. At the end I beleive there was a handle which controlled how open and closed the gripper was. I don't think there was a glove on it, but that was the year before I started, so I could be wrong.

http://www.cyberblue234.com/images/p...s/DSCF0206.gif

I reember you guys, ia m pretty shure youc ame to the Florida regional that year. That was my rookie year and i was soo amazed to see that

[bigqueue]

Originally Posted by rufu5

Hello, I am Rufus Cochran (rufu5), the electronics team leader for Team Roboto 447. Last season my mentor and I conceived, designed, and built our gloves or "virtural joystics" and won- 2003-MidwestRegional-Xerox Creativity Award, 2003-St.Louis Regional-Leadership in Controls Award, 2003-IRI-Delphi Driving Tomorrow's Technology Award. This system completely replaced joysticks for our driver controls. This year, I designed and built optical joysticks which use a glove that has a high intensity LED on it to control our arm (full precision control that acts like a sensitive joystick)
During the Great Lakes Regional, our team passed out stickers which said "We did gloves FIRST" (which I designed and used as a nice little pun). Two of my fellow students later reported that they were rudely told by two other teams that we were lying and that their teams had done gloves first
I am not doubting anyone, I would just like to know what they are talking about I am only a Sophmore in High School but I have been with my team for 4 years and the only thing close that I have seen was a plastic "hand" that was geared up from a backpack a couple of years ago. I was under the assumption from the judges at Chicago and St.Louis last year that they had not seen anything like this before either. If we did not do "gloves" first, I am truly sorry for unintentionally misrepresenting this. Based on my time with FIRST, and the reaction I got from everyone I showed our "virtural joysticks" to, we thought we were the first team to completely move away from joysticks in driving our robots main drive system and pioneer such a control system. I feel certain that no one has ever attempted anything like our optical joysticks this year (well lol, as of now ).
I would like to know if my light-hearted stickers offended anyone. We will stop giving them out if others have done such a control system before. Again, I am truly sorry about any mix up. I didn't mean to anger anyone with the stickers. We just thought it was something truly original to our team (like wildstang and crabdrive or kokomo and their shifting mechanism from a few years back). I just thought our team could be known for our innovative control systems
Please reply with as much detail as possible so I can know all the facts clearly. I don't want to look stupid spreading false information. I am seriously sorry if I unknowingly made a false statement and feel very bad about even the thought of making such a false statement.

This might be slightly off topic, but how do you use the gloves at the start of the match?

That is, it is my understanding that we can not be touching the control system during autonomous mode.....does that mean that you have the gloves off that that point and then run up and put them on, or are they on, with a simple connector interface that gets plugged in when driver mode begins?

I'm just curious how you handled this sort of stuff.

Thanks,
-Quentin

[Don Wright]

Our students built a DDR pad to control our stacking mechanism last year (2003). I was very proud of them since it was completely designed, built, and debugged by them. It helped us win a judges award last year at the GLR.

Here is a picture of our "Dancer" getting ready for a match:

[KenWittlief]

GLOVE?

GLOVE???

all you need is LOVE (-John in Yellow Submarine movie)

(I hope our driver doesnt see that DDR pad control -he's been wanting to do that for the last two years now

just because it would be so cool! :^)

[Rick]

the first FIRST glove was actually way back in either 97 or 98 by none other than 121. Ill get more info but as far as i know an old skool Nintendo Power Glove was used to controll a feature on our robot.

MORE INFO TO COME!

[rufu5]

Originally Posted by Ricksta121

the first FIRST glove was actually way back in either 97 or 98 by none other than 121. Ill get more info but as far as i know an old skool Nintendo Power Glove was used to controll a feature on our robot.

MORE INFO TO COME!

But you guys didnt make those? You just used the power gloves nintendo had already created. Sorry to sound rude, im just trying to get my facts straight.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by rufu5

But you guys didnt make those? You just used the power gloves nintendo had already created. Sorry to sound rude, im just trying to get my facts straight.

actually i got my info. the nintendo power glove was not a kit part and could not be used. Instead a glove with limit switches and potentiometers was used to model after the powerglove. the year was 1997 and Aquatread(the flipper) was in full force.... hehehe

[rufu5]

Originally Posted by Ricksta121

actually i got my info. the nintendo power glove was not a kit part and could not be used. Instead a glove with limit switches and potentiometers was used to model after the powerglove. the year was 1997 and Aquatread(the flipper) was in full force.... hehehe

Nice, do you guys have a pic?

[Kyle Fenton]

Originally Posted by rufu5

Nice, do you guys have a pic?

This is the best picture that I can find.

[Andy Grady]

Originally Posted by Ricksta121

actually i got my info. the nintendo power glove was not a kit part and could not be used. Instead a glove with limit switches and potentiometers was used to model after the powerglove. the year was 1997 and Aquatread(the flipper) was in full force.... hehehe

::Shudders thinking of the flipper:: Can we not talk about that blasted flipper, it still gives me nightmares!

Anyway, Rick would be correct. The 121 glove was the first glove ever created to control robot components. After seeing that glove, my team actually tried to model a different glove in 1998 in which we used limit switches and potentiometers to create a replica of the Sony Playstation Glove Control. It worked well, but we just didn't use it.

[Dan-o]

I can't believe that discussing the origins of technological advances in FIRST has actually come to an argument. Does it really matter who has the right to say they were the first to make a glove or a dance pad or a bot that can fly! Take a step back and say, wow there are gloves out there, look how far FIRST has come instead of fighting with eachother. Look at other teams not in this discussion. Does Beatty walk around with pins saying that they are statistically the best team ever to compete in competition (I'm not saying this is or is not true, just a simple example)? They are one of the more respectable teams out there, but they don't brag about their accomplishments. There are many teams out there like this who just take the successes with the failures, and don't fight with eachother. I am sorry if I have offended anyone, but this conversation is going in the wrong direction. Thank you for reading my 2 cents.

[rufu5]

Originally Posted by bigqueue

This might be slightly off topic, but how do you use the gloves at the start of the match?

That is, it is my understanding that we can not be touching the control system during autonomous mode.....does that mean that you have the gloves off that that point and then run up and put them on, or are they on, with a simple connector interface that gets plugged in when driver mode begins?

I'm just curious how you handled this sort of stuff.

Thanks,
-Quentin

Our driver started with the gloves on, and I (the operator) held the plug-in and on the OI we built a kind of guider. When auto-mode was over I quiclky pluged them in and he could drive.

[Gadget470]

Originally Posted by bigqueue

This might be slightly off topic, but how do you use the gloves at the start of the match?

That is, it is my understanding that we can not be touching the control system during autonomous mode.....does that mean that you have the gloves off that that point and then run up and put them on, or are they on, with a simple connector interface that gets plugged in when driver mode begins?

I'm just curious how you handled this sort of stuff.

Thanks,
-Quentin

For 470's gloves last year, if you look on the picture of me explaining the gloves, hanging at my midsection is a black box with a serial connector on the end. Attached to our OI was the other end. When auto mode was finished, I stepped up to the control station, plugged in, and rocked out.

[ric2006]

By the way, Our team was the FIRST to use the DDR pad. we built it ourselves out of 2x4's and lexan(condutive materials too). It contolled the wings for STACK ATTACK and won us a judges award, along with robotics summer camp and starting a Lego league team. It was a lot of fun to build and use