Divisions at Championship?

[ThirdRide]

Because I have a lot of time on my hands, I did some analysis of the divisions:

Division 1 has 15 regional champions (233, 279, 303, 313, 322, 340, 364, 381, 457, 492, 537, 938, 977, 1030, and 1057).

Division 2 is absolutely loaded. They have 20 regional champions (5, 33, 45, 56, 61, 66, 114, 126, 176, 229, 254, 284, 314, 398, 571, 716, 945, 967, 1031, and 1405) including 3 who have won 2 regionals (5, 33, and 254).

Division 3 is the one my team is in. It has 13 regional champions (47, 67, 177, 230, 311, 330, 389, 449, 522, 930, 957, 980, and 1114) and one team that lost twice in the finals (222).

Division 4, I believe, already has a clear winner. The division has 11 regional champions (16, 237, 269, 388, 501, 585, 662, 982, 1002, 1212, and 1369) including one who has won 2 regionals (16).

As I still have "March Madness" I am going to make my final four picks right now, based on the captains of the winning alliances.

Division 1: 303
Division 2: 254
Division 3: 449 (or if you want a non-partisan pick: 311)
Division 4: 16

I make these picks without ever seeing most of these teams compete. But in all seriousness, does it really matter? This is Max Wasserman, Blair Robot Project. Now back to Sportscenter.

[Jessica Boucher]

Nice work.

Though, I disagree that just because one team has won multiple regionals that they'll do exponentially better than any of the other regional winners. Regional wins are partially mutually exclusive of one another, and it depends on the teams that are at that regional. Why I say partially is because you have to assume that regionals that are close to a general area of teams will have basically the same teams at them, and because of that 2 regional wins from the same general area, though admirable, is less impressive than say, bicoastal regional wins.

What's great about the competition size is that teams with even one regional win will still be highly regarded, because of the size of the divisions. I personally feel that for fairness purposes, the divisions should have a more equal number of regional winners in them than what we assume it will be now. But if they dont, hey, thats great news for those other divisions, because it will be easier to climb to the top of their division, and once the finals happen, you won't have to deal with many of those teams from Div 2, since they will have already knocked eachother out.

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by Jessica Boucher

Why I say partially is because you have to assume that regionals that are close to a general area of teams will have basically the same teams at them, and because of that 2 regional wins from the same general area, though admirable, is less impressive than say, bicoastal regional wins.

Well then you'll love team 69, which won at both BAE and LA (and also seems to be missing from ThirdRide's list). Both regionals were also above average in size.

Edit: 16 won in St. Louis and Annapolis, 5 won at Detroit and Pittsburgh, and 33 won at VCU and Canada

[ngreen]

69 is not going to Atlanta

[Marygrace]

Originally Posted by ngreen

69 is not going to Atlanta

Are you sure????? Thats a major bummer, that team is awesome.

[Alex Cormier]

Originally Posted by ThirdRide

Division 4, I believe, already has a clear winner. The division has 11 regional champions (16, 237, 269, 388, 501, 585, 662, 982, 1002, 1212, and 1369) including one who has won 2 regionals (16).

I make these picks without ever seeing most of these teams compete. But in all seriousness, does it really matter? This is Max Wasserman, Blair Robot Project. Now back to Sportscenter.

1126 won buckeye, and is in "Divison 4".

[RoteAugen]

Originally Posted by Marygrace

Are you sure????? Thats a major bummer, that team is awesome.

yes. of the winners and finalists from the BAE regional, only 501, aces high, 138, and 175 are going. team 40 and team 69 are not going to Atlanta to the best of my knowledge

[ThirdRide]

Time for explanations:

First, sorry to all the teams I accidentally omitted (1126). My bad.

Second, I wasn't quite telling the truth when I said I hadn't seen the teams I picked in action. And when I say I wasn't quite telling the truth, I mean I totally lied (but for comedic effect).

I saw team 303 at Annapolis. We played with them and against them. They're very good. One team I talked to (whose identity I will not reveal) said that their most hated team was 303. And when a lot of teams hate you, you MUST be good.

I watched the Silicon Valley webcast. Through blurried and un-buffered images (darn you dial-up) I think I saw team 254 doing very well. Or it could have been a can-opener. I don't know. (I have got to get DSL.)

I know absolutely nothing about team 311 except that they won the Long Island regional and they're in the same division as their good friend team 1114. And that could mean something in the elimination rounds.

Now as for team 16, my team (449) partnered with them. Not in the qualification rounds, but in the tournament. We were both on the winning alliance. Trust me when I say they're awesome.

Third, nobody should pay attention to my analysis. My picks are guaranteed to be wrong. I'm so inept, I picked Pittsburgh to win the NCAA Tournament. They almost got to the Elite 8.

That's all I have to say right now. I'm actually considering making a tournament pool at Atlanta. Of course, I will have to get around that no gambling issue.

[Terminator6]

Originally Posted by ThirdRide

Third, nobody should pay attention to my analysis. My picks are guaranteed to be wrong. I'm so inept, I picked Pittsburgh to win the NCAA Tournament. They almost got to the Elite 8.

so youve just jinxed off the top teams with those comments, maybe we will have a chance after all

i didnt see this point but i might have missed it, but the best teams can often end up losing, at palmetto the 8th place team almost won in the finals, and the number one team they beat early on, in my opinion, was the dream team of the tournament, so upsets are almost a guarentee....maybe we will be one of those upsets *fingers crossed*

-read over my message, and before anyone is offended, the 8th seeded team was awesome and i enjoyed watching them play, i was trying to point out that highest see does not = win-

[Raul]

Originally Posted by Raul

Ed is right. Here are all the teams that just became eligible this weekend due to winning or charimans or Inspiration or Rookie All Star:

Canadian: 639, 1112, 1305
Lone Star: 57
Palmetto: 281, 11, 122, 1398
West Michigan: 1243, 141, 1024, 1272
Silicon Valley: 971, 852 (plus 3 more potential - they have not yet posted awards)

Congratulations to these teams (hope I didn't miss anyone) - come join us in Atlanta!

7 more teams just joined:
57, 281, 971, 1112, 1272, 1305, 1398 (we are up to 289 teams at the Championship)

Plus 115 and 1422 are also eligible from SVR

Let's see what happens tomorrow.

[westfalia]

Originally Posted by Terminator6

so youve just jinxed off the top teams with those comments, maybe we will have a chance after all

i didnt see this point but i might have missed it, but the best teams can often end up losing, at palmetto the 8th place team almost won in the finals, and the number one team they beat early on, in my opinion, was the dream team of the tournament, so upsets are almost a guarentee....maybe we will be one of those upsets *fingers crossed*

-read over my message, and before anyone is offended, the 8th seeded team was awesome and i enjoyed watching them play, i was trying to point out that highest see does not = win-

There's a distinct difference between the winners of every round and the winners of the rounds in the finals- I've always loved how this is the case. You're definitely right that some of the best robots don't do so well in the finals, and this could be because they didn't design their robot for the rounds in the finals, because they're played differently.

[soccerstar16]

hey im personally sayin that i dont think that the list will end up like that. but no matter how it ends up. you will be seein team 48 Delphi ELITE showing you a great performance from our drivers, our shooter, our engineers, our teachers, and the students. Team 48 is coming loud and strong. GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE TEAMS GOIN TO BE THERE! Team 48 wishes you the best. P.S. CONGRATS go out to 1006 and 1114 at the canadian regional.

[Guyute]

sorry to get off topic, but as i was reading this i too want to know a bit more on this system they had last year with choosing divisions. when FIRST uses that 12341234 do they start at the lowest numbered team and count up or do they just start somewhere in the middle and go full circle?

Originally Posted by Guyute

sorry to get off topic, but as i was reading this i too want to know a bit more on this system they had last year with choosing divisions. when FIRST uses that 12341234 do they start at the lowest numbered team and count up or do they just start somewhere in the middle and go full circle?

If Im not mistaken, last year they started with team 1 and went 1234 1234 all the way through the list

[suneel112]

I don't really mind. Our team will do well, as long as it is allied with a good, strong hanger/auto ball dumper

Although I still wish we were in division 1, to form "the old alliance" - 27,111,461

Now that the autonomous on all three is working well, I don't see how we'll lose

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