Go to Post This year's theme is "It will be neat if it works!" - s_forbes [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 06-04-2004, 10:11
Adam Y.'s Avatar
Adam Y. Adam Y. is offline
Adam Y.
no team (?????)
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Long Island
Posts: 1,979
Adam Y. is a splendid one to beholdAdam Y. is a splendid one to beholdAdam Y. is a splendid one to beholdAdam Y. is a splendid one to beholdAdam Y. is a splendid one to beholdAdam Y. is a splendid one to beholdAdam Y. is a splendid one to behold
Send a message via AIM to Adam Y.
Wonderful world of standards.

I have been wondering about this for a while now. In a lot of my books I read I see mention of ANSI. ANSI C, ANSI numbered roller chain, and ANSI safety signs are all of things I have seen that have this designation. Can someone tell me more about the wonderful world of standards and these interesting organizations?
__________________
If either a public officer or any one else saw a person attempting to cross a bridge which had been ascertained to be unsafe, and there were no time to warn him of his danger, they might seize him and turn him back without any real infringement of his liberty; for liberty consists in doing what one desires, and he does not desire to fall into the river. -Mill
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 06-04-2004, 10:56
Unsung FIRST Hero
Al Skierkiewicz Al Skierkiewicz is offline
Broadcast Eng/Chief Robot Inspector
AKA: Big Al WFFA 2005
FRC #0111 (WildStang)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Wheeling, IL
Posts: 10,792
Al Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Wonderful world of standards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Y.
I have been wondering about this for a while now. In a lot of my books I read I see mention of ANSI. ANSI C, ANSI numbered roller chain, and ANSI safety signs are all of things I have seen that have this designation. Can someone tell me more about the wonderful world of standards and these interesting organizations?
Adam,
Have you tried here... http://www.ansi.org/ ?
__________________
Good Luck All. Learn something new, everyday!
Al
WB9UVJ
www.wildstang.org
________________________
Storming the Tower since 1996.
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 06-04-2004, 11:01
Leo M Leo M is offline
Registered User
#0384 (Tucker Tigers)
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 70
Leo M is just really niceLeo M is just really niceLeo M is just really niceLeo M is just really niceLeo M is just really nice
Re: Wonderful world of standards.

If you like standards - and you have to be a very "special" type of person to really get off on standards - try the following :

ANSI.org; ASTM.org; STEEL.org; ASME.org, and IEEE.org, and the Underwriter's Laboratories site - I don't have that one right now.

If you really like this stuff, you may have a career in government.
__________________
Leo M.
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 06-04-2004, 17:05
Adam Y.'s Avatar
Adam Y. Adam Y. is offline
Adam Y.
no team (?????)
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Long Island
Posts: 1,979
Adam Y. is a splendid one to beholdAdam Y. is a splendid one to beholdAdam Y. is a splendid one to beholdAdam Y. is a splendid one to beholdAdam Y. is a splendid one to beholdAdam Y. is a splendid one to beholdAdam Y. is a splendid one to behold
Send a message via AIM to Adam Y.
Re: Wonderful world of standards.

Quote:
Adam,
Have you tried here... http://www.ansi.org/ ?
Yeah but all I know from that site is that it is an organization that makes standards. As an engineer how much do you follow the above is what I am asking?
__________________
If either a public officer or any one else saw a person attempting to cross a bridge which had been ascertained to be unsafe, and there were no time to warn him of his danger, they might seize him and turn him back without any real infringement of his liberty; for liberty consists in doing what one desires, and he does not desire to fall into the river. -Mill
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 07-04-2004, 07:58
Unsung FIRST Hero
Al Skierkiewicz Al Skierkiewicz is offline
Broadcast Eng/Chief Robot Inspector
AKA: Big Al WFFA 2005
FRC #0111 (WildStang)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Wheeling, IL
Posts: 10,792
Al Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Wonderful world of standards.

Adam,
The object of having "standards" is that all of us should follow them. By having materials that meet standards we know that whowever manufactures 80/20 aluminum it will all be the same. A 10-32 screw will fit anyone's 10-32 nut, #10AWG wire will be the same size regardless if it manufactured by Belden or by XYZ Wire Co. If you search around for standards on particular parts or materials you can easily find what the specs are. The payment plan is for those manufacturing firms that need to make parts to fit a certain standard and need the entire document relating to that part of the standardization. Standards are very important and they make life simpler by allowing us to all speak a common language. Think of what is what like when a colonial cannon maker needed a bolt to fit in a 1/4" hole. First, what standard did he use for an inch and if it was the same inch in all of the colonies, what then described the threads, length and material? Now the same maker simply specifies he needs a 1/4-20 x 2" stainless steel bolt and he has 20 sources to choose from.
__________________
Good Luck All. Learn something new, everyday!
Al
WB9UVJ
www.wildstang.org
________________________
Storming the Tower since 1996.
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 07-04-2004, 08:02
Ryan M. Ryan M. is offline
Programming User
FRC #1317 (Digital Fusion)
Team Role: Programmer
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,508
Ryan M. has much to be proud ofRyan M. has much to be proud ofRyan M. has much to be proud ofRyan M. has much to be proud ofRyan M. has much to be proud ofRyan M. has much to be proud ofRyan M. has much to be proud ofRyan M. has much to be proud ofRyan M. has much to be proud of
Re: Wonderful world of standards.

The same thing applies with things like ANSI C. All major compilers follow that standard, meaning that if you write a program with one compiler, if you stay within ANSI C, you know that it will compile under a different compiler. (That's the theory anyway... )
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 07-04-2004, 09:45
mtrawls's Avatar
mtrawls mtrawls is offline
I am JVN! (John von Neumann)
#0122 (NASA Knights)
Team Role: Programmer
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hampton, VA
Posts: 295
mtrawls is a splendid one to beholdmtrawls is a splendid one to beholdmtrawls is a splendid one to beholdmtrawls is a splendid one to beholdmtrawls is a splendid one to beholdmtrawls is a splendid one to beholdmtrawls is a splendid one to behold
Send a message via AIM to mtrawls
Re: Wonderful world of standards.

If you like standards, check out the w3c site (basically, web standards). And, as the web is a bit newer than say the need for a 1/4" screw in cannons, you'll see there isn't so much of an agreement as to standards (everyone wants to set them, becuase there is power and money to the owner). Oh, and some major web browsers (not to name names, ****soft), don't necessarily support the standards. If you're interested in the idea behind the wonderful world of standards, looking up HTML or XML or etc. specifications, you'll find a load of controversy and debate.
Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 07-04-2004, 17:15
gburlison gburlison is offline
Mentor
FRC #0662 (Rocky Mountain Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 245
gburlison is a name known to allgburlison is a name known to allgburlison is a name known to allgburlison is a name known to allgburlison is a name known to allgburlison is a name known to all
Re: Wonderful world of standards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Y.
Yeah but all I know from that site is that it is an organization that makes standards. As an engineer how much do you follow the above is what I am asking?
If you want to buy from someone else, sell to someone else or interoperate with someone else, then you need to follow standards. Additionally, standards make it easier for a team of people to work on a project. Why does FIRST spell out the rules for wiring the electronics in your robot? They are following a standard so that your robot can be inspected to insure it is safe. Electricity doesn't care if the wire color is red or black, but when you need to try to figure out why something is not working, would you rather have wiring that follows the standard, or try and troubleshoot an electrical system where the person who wired it did not wire red to (+) and black to (-).
__________________
Gordon Burlison - Mentor
662/Rocky Mountain Robotics
"Every silver lining's got a Touch of grey - Robert Hunter"
"No sense in being pessimistic, it wouldn't work anyway"
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 07-04-2004, 18:09
FotoPlasma FotoPlasma is offline
\: |
no team
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: San Jose
Posts: 1,900
FotoPlasma has a reputation beyond reputeFotoPlasma has a reputation beyond reputeFotoPlasma has a reputation beyond reputeFotoPlasma has a reputation beyond reputeFotoPlasma has a reputation beyond reputeFotoPlasma has a reputation beyond reputeFotoPlasma has a reputation beyond reputeFotoPlasma has a reputation beyond reputeFotoPlasma has a reputation beyond reputeFotoPlasma has a reputation beyond reputeFotoPlasma has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to FotoPlasma
Re: Wonderful world of standards.

Another couple of websites:
The National Institute of Standards and Technology
The International Organization of Standards

NIST is cool, but their website can be a pain, and the ISO charges money for documentation of their standards, as far as I can tell, but if you're interested in standards, they're pretty good.

Oh, there're also many websites who list RFCs. www.rfc.net seems to be a pretty good starting point.
__________________
I played hacky sack with Andy Baker.

2001-2004: Team 258, The Sea Dawgs
2005: Team 1693, The Robo Lobos
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The wonderful world of Flash Chris P Website Design/Showcase 6 27-01-2003 13:14
What's 'Right' with this world archiver 2000 2 23-06-2002 22:37
PERFECT WORLD archiver 1999 3 23-06-2002 22:20
FIFA World Cup Manoel Chit-Chat 19 06-06-2002 14:12
FIRST Spirit to the world!!! Tomas General Forum 3 12-04-2002 13:25


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:11.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi