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Unread 20-04-2004, 15:13
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Wow I'm amazed at how much attention we got!! I mean, it's my first year on the team and i get bombarded with people asking for pictures and how we doing. It's like we're celeberties or someting. I personally would like to thank Team 1422 for cheering with us even when they didn't have too! As well as team 1097 even when they didn't have as many of their team members there as they did in San Jose. All I really have to say is I had a great time in Atlanta with all of the teams from all over the US and the world and I hope I have as much fun next year as I did this year. I would stongly like to have team members from teams 1097 and 1422 reply to this message as well as anyone else would k!

I know what you mean Bo when I was at the Hall of Fame booth people kept saying that they use our web site all the time. And when I was walking back and fourth people where saying that we were really doing a good job.
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Between the panhandlers and the drug deals to the charges for transportation to the crappy hotels to the less than good food
You must have stayed on the wrong side of the dome.

A couple tips if you're going next year
  • Be sure to reserve early and stay in a 4 or 5 diamond hotel ... Hyatt, Omni, etc. In general, they are in better areas, and don't cost any more under the FIRST package.
  • If you pass by an agressive panhandler pick up your cell phone and call 911. Panhandling is illegal in Atlanta. If you're still uncomfortable, walk in large groups, no one wants to mess with a large crazy looking group all wearing the same shirt.
  • For food, drop a line at georgiadome.com or atlantafalcons.com to complain about the quality/price. Or, you could always hop over to the CNN center for lunch. There they have a lot of the major chains at regular prices.
  • Parking -
    1) Park at the hotel and walk. The dome is only a few minute walk from the Omni, and was only a 15 minute or so walk from the Hyatt.
    2) Find close lots. We paid $8/day for parking @ the dome, and were only a 1 minute walk to the door


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Wow I'm amazed at how much attention we got!! I mean, it's my first year on the team and i get bombarded with people asking for pictures and how we doing. It's like we're celeberties or someting. I personally would like to thank Team 1422 for cheering with us even when they didn't have too! As well as team 1097 even when they didn't have as many of their team members there as they did in San Jose. All I really have to say is I had a great time in Atlanta with all of the teams from all over the US and the world and I hope I have as much fun next year as I did this year. I would stongly like to have team members from teams 1097 and 1422 reply to this message as well as anyone else would k!
Well hey you guys are like celebrities to us. It's not like you get to meet people who run one of the largest message boards related to FIRST robotics. Hehe next year maybe we can get our SCHOOL to go to nationals. hehe largest cheering section ever. We had a great time cheering with you. We'll get our skip-clap practice down and maybe an exercise routine for next year.
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I agree with Al on all of his points with special emphsis on the pit walk and food situations. I think the 2004 Championship was much better than the 2003 Championship and I know the "issues" that still exist can be solved or improved upon.

That being said, I'd still love to see FIRST and Disney come to an agreement in the long run. Nowhere else can 20,000 people have fun of all different kinds and still be safe and in the "same place". The only part about Disney that wasn't as good was the lack of an actual stadium.
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Unread 21-04-2004, 18:09
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Here are some good and bad impressions-

good- diversity of foods were available at the stadium
bad- the price still was pretty poor- $8 got you a soda and fries....
solution- instead of FIRST requiring the purchase of meal ticket plans where the tix were essentially worh a buck why not just publicize the prices at the venue and let people pay cash? It was especially cheap for the vendors to refuse to give change for the vouchers, thus jacking up their prices even more

good- the view of the fields and such from the stands at the stadium
bad- the poor handling of the open ceremonies and parade from the view of the fields on the opposite side of the stadium
solution- make sure that the events on the main stage are aired on the big screen for all the fields. Why this wasn't done is beyond me but it was surreal to hear a big commotion and see crowds of little kids in the distance marching towards some horizon. Kind of made the Newton field seem unimportant....

good- the Omni hotel- the place was beautiful and rooms were nice
bad- why do the hotels at all these FIRST events insist on breaking up teams to rooms all over the building?
solution- since the hotel gives THS blocks of rooms they should give clusters of rooms to the teams. Unless they prefer to have teens all over their building unsupervised?


good- the closing party. The hypnotist was great and the fireworks were a real spectacle amongst the big buildings and reflective surfaces. The BBQ was also pretty good and the food service was well planned
bad- I think the moon walk mardi gras was probably better suited to younger kids and it didn't seem like many kids were using them
solution- How about a name act like Blue Man Group for next year?


good- the Georgia Dome Complex- it was huge and big enough to bring 600 teams to the nationals.... hint hint
bad- signage and locations of things- while working in the info booth it seemed that the same questions were being asked over and over and this was simply because no coherent signage was visible.


good- MARTA- I was shocked to realize that my entire team got to the venue and back without a hitch
bad- the venue crowd control- when 5000 people are trying to exit and there are only three turnstyle doors you open the ten other doors right next to them so people can get out. Some folks need a bit more common sense...

Overall my team found the event the best Nationals since Disney.We had a great time and the team really grew from the experience. Of course we still want to go back to Epcot but Atlanta was the next best thing.

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bad- why do the hotels at all these FIRST events insist on breaking up teams to rooms all over the building?
solution- since the hotel gives THS blocks of rooms they should give clusters of rooms to the teams. Unless they prefer to have teens all over their building unsupervised?
I heard a rumor it's so there wouldn't be a team having a big block party - splitting the team solves the problem.

I couldn't put my finger on what was wrong with that idea, until you put it, "all over their building unsupervised".

I requested all our rooms be together. I requested the girls' room be next to ours. Neither happened, until after we got there we were able to move the girls next to our room. 1/2 our team was even in a different tower.
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Since this was my first trip I would say it was good. I have a problem with the walk from the pits to the stands and the cost of parking was insane for a day. We stayed near the airport because the cost of the hotels near the event was insane for our small team. I believe that the cost was to high for the teams.
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What I say here is based on my experience with Atlanta compared to the rest of my nine years of attending FIRST championships.

1) Overall, I like Epcot. The atmosphere is fantastic. The food is decent. If your team stays on-property, you are probably the best place in the world for turning 15,000 teenagers free to have fun without getting into trouble. It is not that great for watching matches on the "big stage," but otherwise, from the competition standpoint, it is pretty good.

2) Atlanta, overall, is much better than Houston. There were hotels close to the competition site. The food was somewhat better. It was much easier for the drive teams to get from the pits to the playing fields. It was a little better for the spectators to get from the pits to the playing fields, and the "wrap" party was very good. The party was, to me, better than the ones at Epcot.

If I had my choice, we'd still be at Epcot, but overall, this years championship was a very good event, and with lessons learned, should be even better next year.
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I have to agree with Kit about Epcot being better than either Houston or Atlanta.

Houston was a bad choice but you don't really know that until you've tried it. The venue was difficult to navigate and the neighborhood surrounding Reliant Stadium made me feel like I was in a demilitarized zone. Not much to do with 40 students/mentors/parents that was within walking distance. Oh well, lesson learned.

Atlanta was light years better than Houston. Good proximity of hotels to eating establishments (one of my favorite past times), MARTA, the Dome and GWCC, and other after-hours points of interest. The walk to the field from the pits was great for the field teams but rough for the spectators. Dean could make a killing selling Segways at an event like this! The venue itself was clean, neat and well organized. Event staff were realtively friendly although I agree that they were a bit tight on allowing food purchased on site to be taken between the dome and GWCC. On more than one occasion I saw serious "discussions" relating to this. All in all, Atlanta was a good site.

That being said, Epcot still rules! The event site is set up for the needs of FIRST and the competition rather than FIRST adapting to what they are provided. Close quick walks for everybody from the pits to the fields to the food. Disney puts on one heck of a show! And I don't have to worry about my students after hours. They all have someplace to go and something to do and it's all "G" rated! Being on Disney property is like being in a different world and there are no worries when you're there.

My vote is still for Epcot but Atlanta was a reasonably close second place.

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That being said, Epcot still rules! The event site is set up for the needs of FIRST and the competition rather than FIRST adapting to what they are provided. Close quick walks for everybody from the pits to the fields to the food. Disney puts on one heck of a show! And I don't have to worry about my students after hours. They all have someplace to go and something to do and it's all "G" rated! Being on Disney property is like being in a different world and there are no worries when you're there.

My vote is still for Epcot but Atlanta was a reasonably close second place.

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One thing I loved about Houston and Atlanta was the fields! Each field had proper seating for everybody. If anybody remembers two years ago (or more) all fields except for Einstein were cramped, and unless you team was competing, you could only really have 1 or 2 people watching matches. Though the Stadiums might seem a bit big even for a program like FIRST, it makes me think that in 5 or 10 years, maybe the entire lower section will be filled, and in 10-20 years, maybe the whole stadium (imagine how many fields you would need).

I will agree though that because we were in a Disney World resort area, that I felt safer overall. I loved being able to walk to Marketplace as well!
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A couple of years ago, I happened to be driving through Orlando (on my way home from visiting relatives) when the FIRST Nationals were being held. I stopped by to watch a match or two of the finals. Unfortunately, my home town's TechnoKats were no longer in the running by the time I got there. I remember thinking three things about the location:
  • It was outdoors and hot, with little or no shade for the stands.
  • Even though it was not in an enclosed area, the music was uncomfortably loud.
  • If it had been raining, it would have been very bad.
I think having a covered (and climate controlled) stadium is a much greater benefit than being in the middle of Disney World.
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Well, everyone here knows my Houston vs. Disney opinions, so I'll just say that I'd too rather be at Disney, but Atlanta was a great substatue and did all it could. Anyway....

Food: Good choices, bad prices. Simple as that. I would keep the current system but remove the whole $2.50 thing and have the people refuse to give change thing. If you had a problem with the prices, you could go to the Omni, but that wasn't known to teams, and many found out from second hand comments of teams staying there.

Transportation: We walked, so from the Omni, it was great. Only saw two pannhandlers, but being from Cleveland and having to deal with lots more, I thought it was good.

Walk: Yes, the walk was horrible. Couldn't they just open it up so people could just walk from the first elevator out into the plaza where they had the GM exhibit, and then into the Dome? Or could they just go through where the bots did? Could be improved, but this place wasn't designed for what we inteded it's use to be, but isn't that what engineering is?

Competiton: Overall, great, but I did sense a bit of "Dean is talking to the media about you now. He'll talk to you latter" type thing. I remember back at Disney when he went in the pits to talk and even talked to kids around the competition. Man, I miss those days....

Party: Wayne said it best, get a big name that people that we like and know. No Mandy Moore, get Blue Man Group, or Evenessence. Hyptnotist was great, but mabey if they had him as a warm-up act.

Overall, I liked it better than Houston, but it's still no Epcot. Disney's business was to entertain and handle people, Houston didn't have much experence in that, and Atlanta only did it 8 years ago, it's not like you have to re-invent the wheel every year.
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over all i thought everything went pretty smoothly. people that had to scout definetly got a work out walking back and forth between the field and pits. everything was clean and well organized for the most part. i know im not the only one thinking this, but we definetly had a nice area to hack it up or play frisibee. there was plenty of room to do both. we had people playin frisibee while there was a 17 person hack circle goin on. we all had a really great time. hope next year is better if thats possible. for this bein my first year with delphi E.L.I.T.E and it was incredible. i met so many new people. alot of people from 1126 sparx and just people from all around like michigan. and students that were in college. i cant wait til next year.
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A couple of years ago, I happened to be driving through Orlando (on my way home from visiting relatives) when the FIRST Nationals were being held. I stopped by to watch a match or two of the finals. Unfortunately, my home town's TechnoKats were no longer in the running by the time I got there. I remember thinking three things about the location:
  • It was outdoors and hot, with little or no shade for the stands.
  • Even though it was not in an enclosed area, the music was uncomfortably loud.
  • If it had been raining, it would have been very bad.
I think having a covered (and climate controlled) stadium is a much greater benefit than being in the middle of Disney World.
The four "division" fields were in air conditioned tents. They were reasonably good for watching matches. Sometimes, there seemed to not be enough seats, but in general, there were.

Everyone played a match or two on the Einstein field which was outdoors. The stage was under cover, but the seats were not, and the seats were too far away and too low relative to the stage for good viewing of matches. One of the (few IMHO) advantages of Atlanta over Epcot, is that it is much better for watching "final four" matches, if you get a seat early in a good area. Our team was stuck over by the Curie field for the awards and finals matches, and we couldn't see the matches at all except on the monitor. The lower center area was full or "restricted," the second level was full, and for some unknown reason, they wouldn't let us go to the upper deck. Maybe they will next year, or at least that is a suggestion.
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Houston was a bad choice but you don't really know that until you've tried it. The venue was difficult to navigate and the neighborhood surrounding Reliant Stadium made me feel like I was in a demilitarized zone. ... Oh well, lesson learned.
Sean, you are a teacher? Students, as Sean indicated, this is a great lesson learned, "When you are using the written word, you must be VERY careful because it's more dangerous than a loaded gun!"

Houston has no demilitarized zones and there are no tanks or GIs patrolling my neighborhood streets. If you are in Houston, please contact me and I'll be happy to show you around a great city!

I've had enough of the Houston bashing, it's time to start defending my demilitarized zone,
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