IRAQ FIGHTERS FOUND IN DESERT!

[kane]

Originally Posted by Ryan Albright

They buried them to hide them from the UN inspectors and the US, The thing is that they were flyable before that and the fact that they are trying to hide them shows they are hiding something more and they have some reason to hide

Besides the redundancy of the statement, i hide my money, does that mean that if someone finds my money their going to find drugs? i mean you can use money to buy drugs, so its a logical connection based on what you just said (i think, your statement is still kinda confusing). Just because you find something doesn't mean your going to find more, plus if your afraid of the iraqi air force (who were never trained to fly at night btw) you need to do a little research on how many planes they've shot down.

[Zzyzx]

There is still room in the history books for a suprise ending.

[Ryan Albright]

Originally Posted by kane

Besides the redundancy of the statement, i hide my money, does that mean that if someone finds my money their going to find drugs? i mean you can use money to buy drugs, so its a logical connection based on what you just said (i think, your statement is still kinda confusing). Just because you find something doesn't mean your going to find more, plus if your afraid of the iraqi air force (who were never trained to fly at night btw) you need to do a little research on how many planes they've shot down.

Well no i dont expect to find drugs but honestly how many countries burie there migs, must be a new hanger or something. Come on guys i post a article and you guys over analyze some of you even sound like you are trying to defend Sadam Hussein lets not forget how many people he has killed. I know they havent shot down the other planes but it just takes one bomb to kill thousands. Its like 9/11 we never thought they could high jack planes but they finally did.

[Ashley Weed]

Originally Posted by Ryan Albright

Well no i dont expect to find drugs but honestly how many countries burie there migs, must be a new hanger or something. Come on guys i post a article and you guys over analyze some of you even sound like you are trying to defend Sadam Hussein lets not forget how many people he has killed. I know they havent shot down the other planes but it just takes one bomb to kill thousands. Its like 9/11 we never thought they could high jack planes but they finally did.

Very interesting pictures, I circulated the thread throughout my family, friends, proffesors, and fellow students at college. I also recall similar events occuring during the first war though. I want to search the articles that they had noted at the bottom for more information when I get a chance.

~Thanks for posting the interesting link!

[UlTiMaTeP]

Update: these pictures are from July 2003, according to multiple news organizations...

Originally Posted by kane

Besides the redundancy of the statement, I hide my money, does that mean that if someone finds my money their going to find drugs? I mean you can use money to buy drugs, so its a logical connection based on what you just said (I think, your statement is still kinda confusing). Just because you find something doesn't mean your going to find more, plus if your afraid of the iraqi air force (who were never trained to fly at night btw) you need to do a little research on how many planes they've shot down.

Ryan and I both happen to live about 5 miles from where many of the 9/11 terrorists lived during their planning stages. The HS Ryan and I go to, had a parent who owned a small flight school. She trained a few of the terrorists, not on 737's but on small jet planes. They came over as pilots from the "United Arab Emirates". She had a funny feeling about them, and refused to go up with them, and made the other instructors go. They found out later that the U.A.E. had a total of 1 plane. After she saw the faces of the hijackers, she called the FBI at once and had told them everything that happened. (I did go off on a bunny trail, but the reason I did was it was quite shocking to find out you were so close you could have bumped into these men at the store) Who knows what these planes were being used for, or going to be used for?

Originally Posted by kane

(Who were never trained to fly at night btw)

How do you know they were not?

Originally Posted by kane

i hide my money, does that mean that if someone finds my money their going to find drugs?

What you said was complete reverse logic. Planes have a stronger connection to the effect not the cause. Hence the reason I would say your plane has a better connection to drugs, than money. Money can do a lot of things. Planes have a few tasks, transporting things, and scouting. A better question would be, What do you think the planes were used for? An Air Force is a military unit. I'm not even sure if treaties allowed Iraq to build an Air Force. I don’t know the reason you hide your money, but I’m guessing it is so people don’t try to steal it. These planes were not hidden because people were trying to steal them. It’s a bit like hiding a knife away from a child, you don’t want them to take it, and possibly hurt themselves. These planes were hidden because obviously whoever hid them felt like they illegal. You are on the right track, but hiding money isn't a fair comparison to hiding a plane. Hiding drugs is more along the lines of hiding a plane. The reason you are hiding the drugs is because they are illegal. The same goes for these fighters, they were illegal. You never hid your money because it was an illegal item.

Originally Posted by kane

Just because you find something doesn't mean your going to find more

When they found this cute little piece of metal sticking up out from the sand, did they say, 'bah just a little debris' No they dug it up, and found it was not just any piece of metal, it was a tail from a fighter jet. Now according to your theories and beliefs kane. We should have just stopped there. Yet when we dug to the left and right and front and back of the plane, what do you think we found then?

"a reported 30 to 40 planes" --- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld

I'm sure Ryan is not afraid of the Iraqi Air Force launching an offensive attack but what does concern us, is what were these planes used for? Do you think they were using them to drop relief aid in desperate times? Honestly what is a fighter good for? This raises my concern when I see items like this buried in the ground. What else is buried with it? Where there is smoke there is also fire. So if we see(found) the smoke it is only a matter of time till we find the fire.

[MOEmaniac]

America is smart, see we hide our planes on ships in the middle of the oceans so no one knows where they are except us and we hide our top secret ones in places like area 51

[SilenceNoMore]

Jeez, the guy posts a picture and about a buried MiG-25 and immediately you liberals start flaming him accusing him of supporting the war.

I wasn't too fond of the war and its intentions myself, but give the guy a break.

[Madison]

Originally Posted by SilenceNoMore

Jeez, the guy posts a picture and about a buried MiG-25 and immediately you liberals start flaming him accusing him of supporting the war.

...and jumping to conclusions is bad, right?

[SilenceNoMore]

I just don't see the need for this post to turn into a flame fest. The man posted an article about how the Iraqis buried one of the most advanced and highly complex fighter planes in the desert and immediately it divulges into an idiotic debate on WMD and the Iraq War.

Jeez.

[Ryan Albright]

Originally Posted by SilenceNoMore

I just don't see the need for this post to turn into a flame fest. The man posted an article about how the Iraqis buried one of the most advanced and highly complex fighter planes in the desert and immediately it divulges into an idiotic debate on WMD and the Iraq War.

Jeez.

THANK ;YOU SO MUCH! THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID

[Andy A.]

Originally Posted by SilenceNoMore

I just don't see the need for this post to turn into a flame fest. The man posted an article about how the Iraqis buried one of the most advanced and highly complex fighter planes in the desert and immediately it divulges into an idiotic debate on WMD and the Iraq War.

Jeez.

I don't see it as a flame fest or an idiotic debate. No one has been called names, and the level of intelligence in the posts has been quite high all around. Why try to kill a healthy debate?

If you see any of these posts as an attack, I'm sorry. I don't think anyone posting to this thread is trying to attack you or anyone else. But, when you're dealing with a topic as charged and incredibly important as a war (especially this war), expect that people are going to disagree and speak up.

I also don't think any discussion on WMD in this thread is off topic at all. As Ryan said, those Migs could carry all sorts of weapons. So, if you want to talk about anything surrounding the war, Iraq's military and hidden military hardware, expect that acronym to come up. Often. Also expect people to be pretty vocal about the whole topic.

Besides, if it were not for the search for WMD, why would anyone care about some Migs buried in the desert? Everyone has known for a long time that Iraq's army was large, and largly illegal. The critical factor in this war has been weapons of mass destruction. So, as UlTiMaTeP views these Migs as 'smoke' why not talk about the 'fire'?

-Andy A.

[kane]

Originally Posted by UlTiMaTeP

Update: these pictures are from July 2003, according to multiple news organizations...



Ryan and I both happen to live about 5 miles from where many of the 9/11 terrorists lived during their planning stages. The HS Ryan and I go to, had a parent who owned a small flight school. She trained a few of the terrorists, not on 737's but on small jet planes. They came over as pilots from the "United Arab Emirates". She had a funny feeling about them, and refused to go up with them, and made the other instructors go. They found out later that the U.A.E. had a total of 1 plane. After she saw the faces of the hijackers, she called the FBI at once and had told them everything that happened. (I did go off on a bunny trail, but the reason I did was it was quite shocking to find out you were so close you could have bumped into these men at the store) Who knows what these planes were being used for, or going to be used for?

not sure what your getting at with that story, yeah terroists are good (at not being detected), at least the ones that are successful, but that doesn't mean that every UAE pilot is going to fly a plane into a building. I don't know about the UAE having only one plane its one of the richest countries in the world, but you could be right, i have no facts so i can't really say. Again though theres no reason to be suspicious of an arab person, there are a billion or so arabs or people that look arab, 20 committed the hijacking. To answer your question they wouldn't be used most likely, if you wanted to use something you wouldn't burry it.

How do you know they were not?

first gulf war how many of them were up there defending their city when we were bombing the crap out of it. You can say the anti aircraft fire was too heavy but a mig has a much better chance of shooting down a plane then a SAM or AA gun (or were they using AAA guns i don't really remember). I belive that russia never bothered to train iraq how to fly at night, so not many people knew how to fly with just the instruments.

What you said was complete reverse logic. Planes have a stronger connection to the effect not the cause. Hence the reason I would say your plane has a better connection to drugs, than money. Money can do a lot of things. Planes have a few tasks, transporting things, and scouting.

they can't do any of those things full of sand, plus its not like they were a threat, they were burried.

A better question would be, What do you think the planes were used for? An Air Force is a military unit. I'm not even sure if treaties allowed Iraq to build an Air Force. I don’t know the reason you hide your money, but I’m guessing it is so people don’t try to steal it. These planes were not hidden because people were trying to steal them. It’s a bit like hiding a knife away from a child, you don’t want them to take it, and possibly hurt themselves. These planes were hidden because obviously whoever hid them felt like they illegal. You are on the right track, but hiding money isn't a fair comparison to hiding a plane. Hiding drugs is more along the lines of hiding a plane. The reason you are hiding the drugs is because they are illegal. The same goes for these fighters, they were illegal. You never hid your money because it was an illegal item.

I belive they were allowed to have a defense, just no long range missles or chemical, nuclear, ect, i don't recall anything about not having an air force, but i do know that there was a no fly zone on 2 sides of iraq

When they found this cute little piece of metal sticking up out from the sand, did they say, 'bah just a little debris' No they dug it up, and found it was not just any piece of metal, it was a tail from a fighter jet. Now according to your theories and beliefs kane. We should have just stopped there. Yet when we dug to the left and right and front and back of the plane, what do you think we found then?

"a reported 30 to 40 planes" --- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld

I'm sure Ryan is not afraid of the Iraqi Air Force launching an offensive attack but what does concern us, is what were these planes used for? Do you think they were using them to drop relief aid in desperate times? Honestly what is a fighter good for? This raises my concern when I see items like this buried in the ground. What else is buried with it? Where there is smoke there is also fire. So if we see(found) the smoke it is only a matter of time till we find the fire.

Well the first statement isn't what i ment, just because theres planes doesn't mean there are bombs, and just because there are bombs doesn't mean their nuclear.

What if they were just kept as souviners, maybe the govt was going to sell them, i mean you can find a mig on ebay every now and then, those are just as plausabe as they were going to use it to bomb someone.

[Zzyzx]

Politicians make lousy robots

[SilenceNoMore]

Stupid politicians make lousy robots.

Wow, everybody here has no idea what they are talking about.

[Joshua May]

This is funny, everytime there is a discussion on WMD, everyone forgets that the US has more of any biological, chemical, and nuclear weapon than any country in the world, and we are the only country to have used a nuclear device in war.