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Yes, women should be drafted into the military. 32 66.67%
No, women should not be drafted. 16 33.33%
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Re: Sexism and America

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Things such as the garbage you pollute on these boards, irrespective of which thread you post to, lead me to believe that you possess an ignorance that is both astounding and terrifying. Your misinformed, incorrect, damaging and hurtful "conclusions" are setting the progress of this organization back, wasting my time, and planting the seeds for continued sexism, discrimination and ridiculous, unnecessary discourse like that taking place in this thread.
It's always effective to start your argument by establishing your superiority with a personal attack.

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I am certain that you have no more tenable ideas regarding why women are somehow your inferior.
Let's throw in an assumption of my personal beliefs too.

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It seems that for the purposes of defending your conclusion, defending one's freedom can only occur through the use of violence - taking up arms against those who are perceived to be a physical threat to the safety of our borders.
There's another assumption. I do not believe that the only way of defending a freedom is by the use of violence. Martin Luther King effectively faught for the rights of African Americans without using violence.

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I'm sorry that you don't believe that women like Rosa Parks, Harriet Beecher Stowe and Susan B. Anthony did nothing to defend their freedom.
I never said they didn't do anything to defend their freedom.

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Thus, comments such as those you made above, suggesting that women be denied equal rights seem perfectly logical and acceptable - even preferable - in your distorted view of reality.
Personal attack #2, without even having a valid point.

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If a woman wanted to be conscripted, she could not be, both legally and as a matter of Department of Defense policy.
Perhaps she could not be conscripted, but she could voluntarily enlist.

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Perhaps you'd have more respect for Ms. Parks if, instead of refusing to give up her seat on the bus, she physically assaulted the other riders.
Obviously, Rosa Parks would not have been effective if she used violence. In the United States, violence is not an effective means of establishing a point. If Rosa Parks did what she did in other countries of the world she would have been dragged behind the bus. We are a civilized people, we logicly evaluate arguments. We use a representative goverment to maintian order in the country. Other countries use fear and violence to keep their citzens in check.

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Why should a Congress of men and women, each of whom are too old to be conscripted themselves, be able to call up a draft? They're not going to be doing much during a war except sitting around, too.
The men and women of Congress were put into place to represent their people, because they are much wiser than you or I. They have already served their time as possible draftees. You're not really suggesting that they shouldn't decide what we due with our military simply because they are too old or handicaped to participate are you?

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Others can waste their time running around other countries chasing phantom threats with their machine guns and their tanks and their planes.
I don't think what happened on 9/11 was a phantom incident, do you? The United States is being targeted by terrorists, we must use all the power we have to stop them.

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Challenges of these laws and policies that have been taken to the courts go nowhere because they deal with the policies and practices of making and maintaining war - a responsibility afforded exclusively to the United States Congress as per our Constitution. Thus, courts have very little power in altering Congress' ability to deny women access to the draft and, as a result, the draft and military policies remain as they were created - nearly twenty five years ago.
A valid point, so a court case could not change the draft, but electing the appropriate people into congress would. Doesn't congress represent the will of the people? Couldn't a feminist movement cause the members of congress to change the draft rules? If it could, why aren't we seeing that happen as talks of the first draft in the 21st century begin?

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I can see pretty clearly that there's plenty within our borders that needs to be defended against and I'm perfectly content earning my right to vote by making sure that people like you are consistently debunked, embarrassed, and stripped of any ability to hurt others.
OK, so you are earning your right to vote by personally attacking me on the CD forum. Fair enough, I'll earn my right to vote by registering for the draft, risking personal safety, and ensuring you have the liberty to embarass me.

You are a smart person and very elegant with your use of the English language (much more than I). If you want to make a valid argument, please explain to me why women should not be required to register for the draft. And if they should not, why they should still have the right to vote.
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