Go to Post I was not looking at this as a backdoor to asking Brandon to do it (when I have impossible/unreasonable tasks I want done, I ask him straight out ;-) - Joe Johnson [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Technical > Motors
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 18-06-2004, 12:51
George1902's Avatar
George1902 George1902 is offline
It's a SPAM thing...
AKA: George1083; George180
FRC #0180 (SPAM)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Rookie Year: 1998
Location: Stuart, FL
Posts: 785
George1902 has a reputation beyond reputeGeorge1902 has a reputation beyond reputeGeorge1902 has a reputation beyond reputeGeorge1902 has a reputation beyond reputeGeorge1902 has a reputation beyond reputeGeorge1902 has a reputation beyond reputeGeorge1902 has a reputation beyond reputeGeorge1902 has a reputation beyond reputeGeorge1902 has a reputation beyond reputeGeorge1902 has a reputation beyond reputeGeorge1902 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Drill motor gear measurement

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Baker
They are almost the same.
In fact, 32 dp is so close to .7 mod that we just used a 32 dp gear with the drill motor.

The pinion on the drill motor is hardened steel. You can take a 32 dp gear of a softer metal (we used brass) and run them in dry. Lube them up and you're good to go.

SPAM used this method on their 2000 and 2001 bots and we used it on our 2004 bot. Works great.

One word of advice: The number of teeth probably won't work right for calculating this ratio.
__________________
George

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 18-06-2004, 14:00
Tristan Lall's Avatar
Tristan Lall Tristan Lall is offline
Registered User
FRC #0188 (Woburn Robotics)
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Rookie Year: 1999
Location: Toronto, ON
Posts: 2,484
Tristan Lall has a reputation beyond reputeTristan Lall has a reputation beyond reputeTristan Lall has a reputation beyond reputeTristan Lall has a reputation beyond reputeTristan Lall has a reputation beyond reputeTristan Lall has a reputation beyond reputeTristan Lall has a reputation beyond reputeTristan Lall has a reputation beyond reputeTristan Lall has a reputation beyond reputeTristan Lall has a reputation beyond reputeTristan Lall has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Drill motor gear measurement

FYI, 0.7 module is exactly 25.4 * 1 / 0.7 = 36.2857 pitch. The 32 = 36.2857 thing has been used successfully, but it really isn't optimal, and will likely yield unpredictable wear on the large (softer) gear. Instead, I would try to predict an appropriate size of 0.7 module gear, and order it before the season starts. Once the kit of parts arrives, make any design decisions that need to be made, bearing in mind that you already have a proper gear, and won't have to wait 5 weeks for it. Only if you can't use what you preordered, should you consider using some sort of crude alternative. (And if your design can tolerate plastic 0.7 module gears, they can be had within a week from SDP/SI--even more reason not to go with 32 pitch, even when pressed for time.)

Last edited by Tristan Lall : 18-06-2004 at 14:06.
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 18-06-2004, 15:17
Joe Johnson's Avatar Unsung FIRST Hero
Joe Johnson Joe Johnson is offline
Engineer at Medrobotics
AKA: Dr. Joe
FRC #0088 (TJ2)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: May 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Raynham, MA
Posts: 2,644
Joe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Drill motor gear measurement

I too cringe when I hear folks using 32 DP gears with .7 module gears, but it is hard to argue with success. Apparently many teams do it (can the TechnoKats, WildStang and SPAM all be wrong? -- well, yes, but... ...how wrong can they be?).

Here is what I recommend, get the gears from PIC or have them burned from a wire EDM source (Lou Odin at Capital Tool & Die is a Detroit area source we use a lot -- he takes credit cards and will ship anywhere -- PM me if you want contact info). Failing that, press the gear off and press on whatever gear you can get easily. We've found the 5mm shaft is pretty easy to work with.


Joe J.
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 21-06-2004, 01:25
Andy Baker's Avatar Woodie Flowers Award
Andy Baker Andy Baker is offline
President, AndyMark, Inc.
FRC #3940 (CyberTooth)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: May 2001
Rookie Year: 1998
Location: Kokomo, Indiana
Posts: 3,412
Andy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond reputeAndy Baker has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Andy Baker
Re: Drill motor gear measurement

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Johnson
I too cringe when I hear folks using 32 DP gears with .7 module gears, but it is hard to argue with success. Apparently many teams do it (can the TechnoKats, WildStang and SPAM all be wrong? -- well, yes, but... ...how wrong can they be?).

Joe J.
Notice that I said we used a 36dp gear, NOT a 32 dp gear.

Andy B.
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 22-06-2004, 11:16
Joe Johnson's Avatar Unsung FIRST Hero
Joe Johnson Joe Johnson is offline
Engineer at Medrobotics
AKA: Dr. Joe
FRC #0088 (TJ2)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: May 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Raynham, MA
Posts: 2,644
Joe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond reputeJoe Johnson has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Drill motor gear measurement

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Baker
Notice that I said we used a 36dp gear, NOT a 32 dp gear.

Andy B.
Sorry, it was just a typo.

Joe J.
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mounting the drill motor Veselin Kolev Motors 11 26-04-2004 14:27
Drill Motor + Gearbox + Breaker Problems sear_yoda Electrical 28 03-03-2004 20:03
Portable cordless drill press Gui Cavalcanti Technical Discussion 25 03-08-2003 22:21
drill motor mounts- again Jeff Sharpe Motors 6 07-04-2003 23:20
Emergency drill trade/sell Anarkissed General Forum 3 16-02-2003 22:37


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:53.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi