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Kerry 62 58.49%
Bush 40 37.74%
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Re: Kerry or Bush and why?

This is why I am pro kerry

George W. Bush Resume


Past work experience:

-Ran for congress and lost.

-Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.

-Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

-Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

-With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.

-Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

-Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

Accomplishments as president:

-Attacked and took over two countries.

-Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

-Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

-Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

-Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

-First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

-First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

-First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

-After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

-Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

-In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

-Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

-Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

-Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

-Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

-Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

-Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

-Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

-Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

-Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)

-Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

-My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.

-Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

-Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.

-Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

-Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

-Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

-First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

-First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

-Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

-Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

-Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

-Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

-First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

-All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

-My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

-Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

-First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

-First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

-First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

-Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

-With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

-Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

-First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

-Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

-Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

-Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

-Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

-In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

-Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

-In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.

-Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

-Records and References:

-At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

-AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.

-Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

-All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

-All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

-All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

-Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.

-For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)

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Re: Kerry or Bush and why?

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Anyone with a basic understanding of history knows this isn't true. I can think of one president that entered his career with a criminal record right of the bat and another that practiced in activities that weren't illegal back then but is today. Hey this can be a good question for First Jeprody.
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Anyone with a basic understanding of history knows this isn't true. I can think of one president that entered his career with a criminal record right of the bat and another that practiced in activities that weren't illegal back then but is today. Hey this can be a good question for First Jeprody.
Nancy Pelosi asked the ACLU if there were any violations of civil liberties under the patriot act. They couldn't find any.
I don't think this is true either from a historical stand point. I have to check my facts.
Could you please post a link the the Nancy Pelosi/ACLU thing. I am interested.
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Could you please post a link the the Nancy Pelosi/ACLU thing. I am interested.
Never mind. I heard it on some news broadcast. Im probably not going to find a link.
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Nope definately not true. I can come up with a bunch of events where other Presidnets violated the freedoms of lots of individuals.
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The trend in this poll so far is interesting. Anyone care to offer a good explanation for why Kerry has a large margin here? (*cough*Kristina*cough*)
Well, when I worked at Sonic, I chatted once with the owner of the restaurant, this guy in his sixties or seventies (and still not afraid to sling a few burgers). He told me something that makes perfect sense when I realize the general age distribution of this site:

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While I take issue with the second half of that, it does seem to explain the whole thing.
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George W. Bush Resume

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Yeah, I've seen that before.

You know it's sad when 1/2 of your own country hates you, and then a vast majority of the world population hates you even more.

You also know it's really bad when Britain and France hate you more than they hate each other.
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I can come up with a bunch of events where other Presidnets violated the freedoms of lots of individuals.
It never said "The only president" it said "Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history."
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You also know it's really bad when Britain and France hate you more than they hate each other.
I just spent the last two weeks in England and France... They don't hate us... They rather like us. We bring beaucoup (using a little French lingo there ) dinero into both of those countries through trade and travel.

While our politics may differ, they care much more about their football then political ideals.
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It never said "The only president" it said "Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history."
No... you never said it... hmm... maybe I should go find/create one of these for Mr. Clinton

"Spent the most undeclared vacation days of any US President (with Monica Lewinsky frolicking underneath the desk in the Oval Office)”
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I just spent the last two weeks in England and France... They don't hate us... They rather like us. We bring beaucoup (using a little French lingo there ) dinero into both of those countries through trade and travel.

While our politics may differ, they care much more about their football then political ideals.
Allright, they hate Bush more than each other.
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When Clinton lied noone died.

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Allright, they hate Bush more than each other.
Please tell me Sir, how do you know this? Is it from the media? If so, who is your reliable non-biased source? Have you traveled and spoken with Britons and the French?

The media, if that is your source will not cover those who support the government (unless of course those in power are Democrats). The BBC is quite good at playing it straight down the middle. They take a historical look at the events which are happening.

Being immersed in the culture gives a welcome reprise to the media onslaught. THEY (the Britons and the French) COULD CARE LESS ABOUT POLITICS! What they really don't like is the VAT (Value Added Tax) and the London Congestion Charge (5 pounds which is roughly $10 a day to drive into downtown London) and if you don’t pay it each day, they send you a ticket in the mail for between 40 pounds and 125 pounds ($80 - $250)

So Sir, before you go around making random pronouncements, immerse yourself in their culture. Explore and learn. That is of course what FIRST is all about!
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When Clinton lied noone died.
Does the term Asprin Factory mean anything to you? What about Bosnia? Did he lie? and/or did the media just do a fantastic coverup job for him?

and let's try to bring this back on topic...

Kerry or Bush and why?
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This is on topic, I showed why I was not voting for bush (the resume) and you were picking it apart. I find it funny that noone has been able to dis-prove anything on that list.

Noone tried to impeach Clinton over the Asprin factory. The Right found something that the public would jump on and they sank their teeth right in. I forget who it was but there was some right-winger who was going after Clinton about his affair... when at the same time he had a woman on the side.
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and let's try to bring this back on topic...

Kerry or Bush and why?
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This is what happens when I'm in Washington DC and/or deprived from my political science classes...I analyze political threads on CD:

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The trend in this poll so far is interesting. Anyone care to offer a good explanation for why Kerry has a large margin here? (*cough*Kristina*cough*)
Like people have been saying, I definitely think that the age demographic factors in SIGNIFCANTLY.

Some other things that may possibly explain the numbers...

Geographic Bias See Exhibit A: Map of FIRST teams There definitely seems to be more teams from liberal leaning areas such as the NE region and California. The whole central area (Montana, Idaho, Utah) and Southern area (Tennessee, Mississippi, Kentucky) are regions that lean heavily Republican yet have very little FIRST representation and hence, not much posting on these boards.

Urban/Rural Bias Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing FIRST teams come from more urban/suburban areas than rural. I know there are rural teams, but just not as likely as in other areas. So if there are teams, say, from the South or Midwest (red leaning areas), they tend to be in closer proximity to major cities. Well, cities tend to be more liberal so that could possibly play a part.

Education Level Before I get negative rep, let me say flat out that I don't necessarily think Republicans are not smart people. That being said, college graduates and people with higher levels of education usually lean more liberal than conservative. This isn't based on my experience but rather what has been said in almost every political science class I've had. Seeing as how many FIRSTers are in college or are on the college path, I could see how this factors in.

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I just spent the last two weeks in England and France... They don't hate us... They rather like us. We bring beaucoup (using a little French lingo there ) dinero into both of those countries through trade and travel.

While our politics may differ, they care much more about their football then political ideals.
I'm not even sure if you're joking or not...then again I never really understood USC Trojan humor (kidding!). From my own experience, this was probably half right. While we tend to have good relations with England (they were our ally), I didn't see quite as warm reception in other European nations. I personally saw "Go Home America" posters in France and when the French people come to UCLA, they buy so many John Kerry buttons from us. I have a lot of family in France too and they all love Kerry. I have friends studying in Italy this summer and they say there's so much anti-Bush graffiti and I know there was a huge protest when Bush came to speak in Ireland. I thought it was interesting that he was the first American president in a while that's been so disliked by the Irish because most Presidents go there for popularity boosts like Nixon, Reagan, and Clinton. I'm not saying that you have to be worldwide popular to be a good President of the United States (though I certainly think it can help) but I certainly wouldn't say that most of Europe likes us either.
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