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Re: Jewish students attacked at Auschwitz

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I don't want to turn this into an essay, but let's not get ahead of ourselves; European policy tends to hold a religiously detached stance in many areas. This "hypocritical" behaviour is the result of a few people and for the most part, not of the governments.
Wasn't it France that asked Muslim girls to remove their headscraves during school? I have to say that this is pretty extreme and would never happen in the United States.
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Re: Jewish students attacked at Auschwitz

It is, but note it's just a different kind of secularism. Whereas in North America we tend to try to be inclusive of religious ritual, garb, etc., in France and Germany, the idea is to make everyone equal and show no sign of religion. A large cross medallion is also prohibited, supposedly.
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Re: Jewish students attacked at Auschwitz

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Wasn't it France that asked Muslim girls to remove their headscraves during school? I have to say that this is pretty extreme and would never happen in the United States.
One would think so based off of our constitution. But...
A quick google search for "Tinker Vs. Des Moines School District" or "Freedom of Speech in school" will show you that its not true. I know that I was harassed by teachers/administrators for wearing things that although weren't neccasarily of religious nature but rather of a political nature in school.
Often times it is sighted that anything they dont like 'disturbs' the class and they ban it.
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Re: Jewish students attacked at Auschwitz

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Wasn't it France that asked Muslim girls to remove their headscraves during school? I have to say that this is pretty extreme and would never happen in the United States.
Just as an experiment, someone might want to try taking a normal black T-shirt, and painting on it (in red) some sort of non-mainstream slogan...say (for argument's sake) "GO SATAN GO"*. Then walking into a typical American school, and counting with a stopwatch the number of seconds it takes for someone to accost you, and haul you to the office for summary punishment.

Other than the moral implications (which are obviously subjective, and religiously motivated), why is this different from wearing a "WWJD" shirt, or a turban, or a hijab?

*If easily offended, consider that Satan is a member of the Buffalo Sabres.
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Re: Jewish students attacked at Auschwitz

To respond to a few things, first, I made a note if this should be deleted because I know it's a touchy subject and I really don't want anyone to be offended in any way. Second, I agree with RudimentaryPeni, don't think that all French people are this way, just in this case, that's where the anti-semetic comments came from. What's really alarming to me is to think that in such a modern world that we live in now, where cultures and races mix so constantly, that there would be such people willing to put down others and try to raise themselves above other races, indeed, even using one of the darker moments in history to do so.

I also do not want to single out Jews, throughout history, as Max L said, virtually every race has been persecuted, the Chinese in Nanking, Cambodians under Pol Pot, Armenians under Turkey, the list goes on.

Edit: I had included Japanese Internment Camps in my list of persecutions, but, as one CD member brought up to me, it pales in comparison to the horrendous acts of the others listed, so I've removed it.
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Re: Jewish students attacked at Auschwitz

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Just as an experiment, someone might want to try taking a normal black T-shirt, and painting on it (in red) some sort of non-mainstream slogan...say (for argument's sake) "GO SATAN GO"*. Then walking into a typical American school, and counting with a stopwatch the number of seconds it takes for someone to accost you, and haul you to the office for summary punishment.
Im almost a hundred percent postitive that someone did that in my school. I've seen it all though the one thing that scared me was that I was getting the odd suspicion that there was a pink t-shirt gang. Yeah suspendor pants and boots are a no no. So are gang colors. Besides that I have never heard of anyone getting into trouble.
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I'd have to disagree with you there. Do you actually think that a person living in Iowa or even in upstate New York actually see's the same diversity as a person living in a city. You got to know something still isn't right when a college survey asks you if you are going to it for it's diversity.
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