Please Help Me Revive my Apple IIC+

[sanddrag]

Hey Everyone,

I was cleaning out my garage today and found my long lost Apple IIC+. I tried it out and it appears to be functioning just fine. The only problem is that I have no disks for it, they were all lost or discrarded over the years. I searched Google and found several "disk images" but I have no idea how to use them. It is all very confusing to me. Please don't link me to a help file or page , I've read them all and still don't understand. I need someone who does understand to explain it to me.

Is there any way whatsoever to make program/game disks for the IIC+ with modern 3.5 floppies? If possible, I'd like to create them from a PC but I have access to an iMac if that would work.

My experience with the Apple IIC+ and all Macinotsh computers was many years ago so I hardly remember how to do much of anything.

Thanks in advance for your help in keeping this piece of electronics history alive.

[Jay H 237]

Sanddrag, I'm not sure if you've looked here but have you considered Ebay?
I found quite a bit of stuff for sale for the IIC and the great thing about an ancient.......I mean classic .......computer like this is it's very cheap.

[sanddrag]

Originally Posted by Jay H 237

Sanddrag, I'm not sure if you've looked here but have you considered Ebay?
I found quite a bit of stuff for sale for the IIC and the great thing about an ancient.......I mean classic .......computer like this is it's very cheap.

I have searched eBay and haven't found much. See, my IIC+ has a 3.5 floppy drive and all the disks on eBay are 5.25. I did find one disk in my house that was the program II Write and it works great but that's all I've got. Can anyone help me with my original question?

[Max Lobovsky]

I'm not sure what format you found the images in, but a program I have used in the past to write floppy disk images is winimage (http://www.winimage.com/). Good luck!

[ngreen]

http://web.pdx.edu/~heiss/index.html

Try this site. The guy seems like he might know or at least have a better clue.

Or possibly better yet http://www.a2central.com

[Kyle Fenton]

You will need an old mac with OS 8.6 or before to create disk that can be read by an Apple II. An Apple II uses a file system called ProDOS. Only a beige G3 or a computer before can read these disk, and make a copy of them. As for games you might want to consider http://mac.the-underdogs.org/ for some abdonware titles, with the Apple II it should all be abdonware.

[sanddrag]

Originally Posted by Kyle Fenton

You will need an old mac with OS 8.6 or before

Well, I've got one but it is a Mac Classic with System 6 so it obhviously does not go online. Any way I can get the files from online to the Classic through use of other hardware?

[Kyle Fenton]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

Well, I've got one but it is a Mac Classic with System 6 so it obhviously does not go online. Any way I can get the files from online to the Classic through use of other hardware?

The only way I can think of this working is that you upgrade your Classic to the Mac 7.5 by downloading it here format it PC, put the floppy on your windows, put it back on your mac format it prodos, then you should be able to play it.

[sanddrag]

Originally Posted by Kyle Fenton

The only way I can think of this working is that you upgrade your Classic to the Mac 7.5 by downloading it here format it PC, put the floppy on your windows, put it back on your mac format it prodos, then you should be able to play it.

I'm not sure exactly how to put the .bin disk image on a floppy correctly on a PC. On a Mac, they say to use Disk Copy but will Windows Disk Copy on PC work. I thought that PC floppy drives physically write the floppy in a different manner than Mac drives. Is this true?

Also, aside from the Apple II say I want to upgrade the classic from 6.x to 7.5. Will I lose programs? Will 7.5 even run on a Classic?

[dubious elise]

slightly off-topic, but you wouldn't like to add an apple IIE to that collection as well, would you?

[Kyle Fenton]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

I'm not sure exactly how to put the .bin disk image on a floppy correctly on a PC. On a Mac, they say to use Disk Copy but will Windows Disk Copy on PC work. I thought that PC floppy drives physically write the floppy in a different manner than Mac drives. Is this true?

Also, aside from the Apple II say I want to upgrade the classic from 6.x to 7.5. Will I lose programs? Will 7.5 even run on a Classic?

Opps I forgot that you don't have access to make a Mac Floppy, ok that plan won't work.

In system 7.5 you can mount, read and write to MS-DOS (FAT) floppies, it was a big thing back then.

According to this a classic can use up to 7.5.5, but there might be a RAM issue.

So it doesn't looks like you have any options.

[sanddrag]

Originally Posted by Kyle Fenton

In system 7.5 you can mount, read and write to MS-DOS (FAT) floppies, it was a big thing back then.

Say I could get 7.5 on floppies. Could I upgrade without losing anything?

Wow, I love old Apple computers. At first I got into them because of the nostalgia - they were all I knew or used back in elementary school. It brings back memories. But now that I have messed around with them, I've discovered just how much they can do with so little resources. Gone forever are the days when programs were written so efficiently. Seriously, that Mac Classic can load and use every program on it just as fast and as well as comparable programs on a 1-3 year old PC. And it never crashes and it works like they day it was new. Have you ever consistently seen PCs that keep working over 13 years!?!? I encounter superbly functioning Macs at least 6 years old every day. I am/was a PC guy but perhaps I am being converted

This post goes out to Beach Cities Robotics. It is my post # 2294

[Kyle Fenton]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

Say I could get 7.5 on floppies. Could I upgrade without losing anything?

Wow, I love old Apple computers. At first I got into them because of the nostalgia - they were all I knew or used back in elementary school. It brings back memories. But now that I have messed around with them, I've discovered just how much they can do with so little resources. Gone forever are the days when programs were written so efficiently. Seriously, that Mac Classic can load and use every program on it just as fast and as well as comparable programs on a 1-3 year old PC. And it never crashes and it works like they day it was new. Have you ever consistently seen PCs that keep working over 13 years!?!? I encounter superbly functioning Macs at least 6 years old every day. I am/was a PC guy but perhaps I am being converted

This post goes out to Beach Cities Robotics. It is my post # 2294

Yeah, upgrading it will not loose any of your data. Just insert the disk and let the installer do the rest.

[MrToast]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

Wow, I love old Apple computers. At first I got into them because of the nostalgia - they were all I knew or used back in elementary school. It brings back memories. But now that I have messed around with them, I've discovered just how much they can do with so little resources. Gone forever are the days when programs were written so efficiently. Seriously, that Mac Classic can load and use every program on it just as fast and as well as comparable programs on a 1-3 year old PC. And it never crashes and it works like they day it was new. Have you ever consistently seen PCs that keep working over 13 years!?!? I encounter superbly functioning Macs at least 6 years old every day. I am/was a PC guy but perhaps I am being converted

My family has a functional Mac XL (read: "Lisa") in our basement. That's what, 21 years old?

Good, the world needs more converts! *cough*

MrToast

[sanddrag]

Originally Posted by Kyle Fenton

Yeah, upgrading it will not loose any of your data. Just insert the disk and let the installer do the rest.

By any chance will it get rid of FoolProof Security? Please Please Please Please I'm not trying to hack it, the unit was given to me by a school and the password to unlock it is gone. Please don't post any hacking, cracking tips. That is not who I am. For FoolProof, well, at least the unit is "clean" - no unnecessary files.