Bush or Kerry?

[Fireworks 234]

There haven't been any polls have there?

[Greg Needel]

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=27387

[Fireworks 234]

I just wanted to see how many would vote outside their party.

[Katie Reynolds]

Originally Posted by Fireworks 234

I just wanted to see how many would vote outside their party.

That's not what the poll is asking, though. It's asking "out of these ten options, which two will you most likely vote for?" not "are you going to vote outside of your party - yes or no?"

So check these out:

Kerry or Bush and why?
John Kerry: Good, bad, or both?
Women and the draft
Saddam Hussein wants a debate
Should we bomb/strike Iraq?
What is your Favorite Bushism?
Democrat or Republican?
Your thoughts on war
Politics, war, MTV
American "selectiveness"
Iraq Draft
War


If you take a look at those threads, you'll notice all of them deal with politics, and all of them are closed. It's not a coincidence. Most were started with good intention, to find out how people felt about the subject at hand. BUt it turns out, there are just some things that are too hard to discuss on these boards, without the threads turning into flame wars. The threads start out OK, usually, but by the end of the first page or so it starts to get pretty nasty. Another thread on politics is only going to cause problems and will be closed. It's been tried and tried again, and we just can't have a civil debate about the subject without flaming or putting someone down.

I'm pretty sure you can descern poster's political party preference from those threads - if not, try PMing them and asking for a clarification.

[Jack Jones]

Friends,

I can understand why it is that political discussions are frowned upon in this forum; it’s because they bring to light our differences, which contrast remarkably with the brotherhood of FIRST.

That said, we cannot believe for one second that FIRST can exist in a vacuum. We cannot believe that the rest of the world will see it our way if only we ignore it exists. I became a mentor because I know that the youth of today are our future; and, I believe that the ones from FIRST will lead the way. That is reason enough to believe that political debate on ChiefDelphi is a good thing and should be encouraged. It doesn’t matter that it may turn ugly. What matters is that we learn how it turns ugly and thereby learn to rise above it.

[Ryan M.]

Originally Posted by Jack Jones

Friends,

I can understand why it is that political discussions are frowned upon in this forum; it’s because they bring to light our differences, which contrast remarkably with the brotherhood of FIRST.

That said, we cannot believe for one second that FIRST can exist in a vacuum. We cannot believe that the rest of the world will see it our way if only we ignore it exists. I became a mentor because I know that the youth of today are our future; and, I believe that the ones from FIRST will lead the way. That is reason enough to believe that political debate on ChiefDelphi is a good thing and should be encouraged. It doesn’t matter that it may turn ugly. What matters is that we learn how it turns ugly and thereby learn to rise above it.

Nobody is saying we can't have political discussions, they're just saying they already exist. It's just friendly reminder to search before you post.

But, on a side note... Woot! Bush is ahead!

Also, what about the "Schwarzenegger for President" movement?

[Bill Gold]

Originally Posted by Ryan Morehart

Nobody is saying we can't have political discussions, they're just saying they already exist. It's just friendly reminder to search before you post.

But, on a side note... Woot! Bush is ahead!

Also, what about the "Schwarzenegger for President" movement?

While bringing a few of them to the attention of the thread starter, Katie pointed out a few days ago that practically every thread pertaining to politics has been closed in the past. She also noted correctly that it’s just one of those topics that has started flame wars in the past.

Bush may be ahead in some of the polls, but his double digit lead is down to mid single digits in most polls I’ve seen this morning, and even within the margin of error in a few. A lot of key states for both candidates are very close. My family has recently become involved in a massive nationwide grassroots debtor (as in consumer bankruptcy debtors) campaign. This movement has the possibility to turn out over 100,000 votes (just from people who have filed bankruptcy, not including their friends or family) in a few key states.

As for Schwarzenegger, you should probably wait on him until after he’s completed a term as my governor (not to mention most of his policies don’t match the average republican). Many politically savvy Californians were talking about Gray Davis possibly running for president back in 2001 when he was fighting to get Bush to step in and impose price controls on the energy price gouging by Enron, et al. We all know where that ended up. The moral of that story is “don’t count your chickens before they hatch (especially in politics).”

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Bill Gold

As for Schwarzenegger, you should probably wait on him until after he’s completed a term as my governor

He should also wait until the constitution is changed to allow non US born citizens to be president

Cory

[Bill Gold]

Originally Posted by Cory

He should also wait until the constitution is changed to allow non US born citizens to be president

Cory

You are correct, you deserter . I was assuming that Dana Rohrabacher's proposed amendment was passed and ratified. I also assumed that Ryan was talking about that constitutional amendment movement, and not just a “run Arnie” movement.

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I'll make you right-wingers a deal. You take back the 22nd amendment, and we’ll give you foreign-born people who have been citizens for 25+ years. Bill Clinton vs. Arnold Schwarzenegger? Any takers?
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[Joshua May]

Originally Posted by Bill Gold

I'll make you right-wingers a deal. You take back the 22nd amendment, and we’ll give you foreign-born people who have been citizens for 25+ years. Bill Clinton vs. Arnold Schwarzenegger? Any takers?

I'll second that for the Democrats, seems like a fair trade.

[Billfred]

Sounds good to me.

Does anyone here remember when Comedy Central had the movement to give Clinton four more years back in 2000? Given the choices back then (or now, in a way), I'd be very interested to see how that would break down.

[Ryan M.]

Yeah, the only reason I said that thing about Schwarzenegger was I had just read a CNN.com article poking fun at Nadar and the Arnold people.

I'd definitely have to think about your 22nd amendment offer...

[ngreen]

I'd like to take that up. But then again I do know how mad Clinton makes Republican. I do live in Kansas. I do also realize how people obsess over celebrities. Do they think they get the same Arnold as they got in jingle all the way?

Okay, I'll take that. I like well educated effective presidents. And note just because you go to Yale and Harvard does not make you well educated or effective for that matter. Plus I'm really tired of politics centering on ideologies. I always thought that was the things government should stay out of. I really don't like the growth in bueracacy under current Republican presidents either. I really wonder who pays for that, at least in the long run I think it is the people under 25 who will have to deal with the deficit.