Bush or Kerry?

[Katie Reynolds]

Originally Posted by Fireworks 234

I just wanted to see how many would vote outside their party.

That's not what the poll is asking, though. It's asking "out of these ten options, which two will you most likely vote for?" not "are you going to vote outside of your party - yes or no?"

So check these out:

Kerry or Bush and why?
John Kerry: Good, bad, or both?
Women and the draft
Saddam Hussein wants a debate
Should we bomb/strike Iraq?
What is your Favorite Bushism?
Democrat or Republican?
Your thoughts on war
Politics, war, MTV
American "selectiveness"
Iraq Draft
War


If you take a look at those threads, you'll notice all of them deal with politics, and all of them are closed. It's not a coincidence. Most were started with good intention, to find out how people felt about the subject at hand. BUt it turns out, there are just some things that are too hard to discuss on these boards, without the threads turning into flame wars. The threads start out OK, usually, but by the end of the first page or so it starts to get pretty nasty. Another thread on politics is only going to cause problems and will be closed. It's been tried and tried again, and we just can't have a civil debate about the subject without flaming or putting someone down.

I'm pretty sure you can descern poster's political party preference from those threads - if not, try PMing them and asking for a clarification.

[Jack Jones]

Friends,

I can understand why it is that political discussions are frowned upon in this forum; it’s because they bring to light our differences, which contrast remarkably with the brotherhood of FIRST.

That said, we cannot believe for one second that FIRST can exist in a vacuum. We cannot believe that the rest of the world will see it our way if only we ignore it exists. I became a mentor because I know that the youth of today are our future; and, I believe that the ones from FIRST will lead the way. That is reason enough to believe that political debate on ChiefDelphi is a good thing and should be encouraged. It doesn’t matter that it may turn ugly. What matters is that we learn how it turns ugly and thereby learn to rise above it.

[Ryan M.]

Originally Posted by Jack Jones

Friends,

I can understand why it is that political discussions are frowned upon in this forum; it’s because they bring to light our differences, which contrast remarkably with the brotherhood of FIRST.

That said, we cannot believe for one second that FIRST can exist in a vacuum. We cannot believe that the rest of the world will see it our way if only we ignore it exists. I became a mentor because I know that the youth of today are our future; and, I believe that the ones from FIRST will lead the way. That is reason enough to believe that political debate on ChiefDelphi is a good thing and should be encouraged. It doesn’t matter that it may turn ugly. What matters is that we learn how it turns ugly and thereby learn to rise above it.

Nobody is saying we can't have political discussions, they're just saying they already exist. It's just friendly reminder to search before you post.

But, on a side note... Woot! Bush is ahead!

Also, what about the "Schwarzenegger for President" movement?

[Bill Gold]

Originally Posted by Ryan Morehart

Nobody is saying we can't have political discussions, they're just saying they already exist. It's just friendly reminder to search before you post.

But, on a side note... Woot! Bush is ahead!

Also, what about the "Schwarzenegger for President" movement?

While bringing a few of them to the attention of the thread starter, Katie pointed out a few days ago that practically every thread pertaining to politics has been closed in the past. She also noted correctly that it’s just one of those topics that has started flame wars in the past.

Bush may be ahead in some of the polls, but his double digit lead is down to mid single digits in most polls I’ve seen this morning, and even within the margin of error in a few. A lot of key states for both candidates are very close. My family has recently become involved in a massive nationwide grassroots debtor (as in consumer bankruptcy debtors) campaign. This movement has the possibility to turn out over 100,000 votes (just from people who have filed bankruptcy, not including their friends or family) in a few key states.

As for Schwarzenegger, you should probably wait on him until after he’s completed a term as my governor (not to mention most of his policies don’t match the average republican). Many politically savvy Californians were talking about Gray Davis possibly running for president back in 2001 when he was fighting to get Bush to step in and impose price controls on the energy price gouging by Enron, et al. We all know where that ended up. The moral of that story is “don’t count your chickens before they hatch (especially in politics).”

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Bill Gold

As for Schwarzenegger, you should probably wait on him until after he’s completed a term as my governor

He should also wait until the constitution is changed to allow non US born citizens to be president

Cory

[Bill Gold]

Originally Posted by Cory

He should also wait until the constitution is changed to allow non US born citizens to be president

Cory

You are correct, you deserter . I was assuming that Dana Rohrabacher's proposed amendment was passed and ratified. I also assumed that Ryan was talking about that constitutional amendment movement, and not just a “run Arnie” movement.

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I'll make you right-wingers a deal. You take back the 22nd amendment, and we’ll give you foreign-born people who have been citizens for 25+ years. Bill Clinton vs. Arnold Schwarzenegger? Any takers?
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[Joshua May]

Originally Posted by Bill Gold

I'll make you right-wingers a deal. You take back the 22nd amendment, and we’ll give you foreign-born people who have been citizens for 25+ years. Bill Clinton vs. Arnold Schwarzenegger? Any takers?

I'll second that for the Democrats, seems like a fair trade.

[Billfred]

Sounds good to me.

Does anyone here remember when Comedy Central had the movement to give Clinton four more years back in 2000? Given the choices back then (or now, in a way), I'd be very interested to see how that would break down.

[Ryan M.]

Yeah, the only reason I said that thing about Schwarzenegger was I had just read a CNN.com article poking fun at Nadar and the Arnold people.

I'd definitely have to think about your 22nd amendment offer...

[Ryan Albright]

Eh dont know if i could give you the 22nd amendment, if you look pass it being more then an amendment its more of a tradition. Up till FDR that was never a amendment. George Washington was elected for 2 terms, then when he was up for relection the people came and asked him if wanted to be King and thats when he said he will not run anymore or be king and went and retired. This was tradition all the way up to FDR convincing the people to elect him four times because of the great depression and war. Then after FDR is when we made the 22nd amendment.

Sorry i just had a US government test on Friday and that was one of our essay questions

In my personal opiinion i am in favor of the 22nd amendment, even if its a good president no one should be able to serve more then two full terms. And as for schwarzeneggar i think we should keep it that you have to be a US born

Sorry i was just working on government hw also so that is my $0.02

[Katie Reynolds]

Originally Posted by Ryan Albright

And as for schwarzeneggar i think we should keep it that you have to be a US citizen

Just out of curiousity, why?

[Ryan Albright]

Its more that i dont have anything against him. ITs the fact that it would take a ratification of the Constitution which is very hard and takes up resources. To ratify the constitution it takes a 2/3 vote of the Congress and if it gets out of there then it has to go to the states for a 3/4 votes and i just dont see it happening

I saw Nadar will win. I feel bad for him...id vote for him if i can vote. I think that Bush isnt doing a very good job with this "conflict" (i dont call it a war for various reasons). If Kerry wins, he wont do much of a better job than Bush is doin right now. But yet, if Nadar wins, everyone will hate him and he wouldnt know what to do. But for right now Nadar would have my vote.
-Court-

[Adam Y.]

I saw Nadar will win. I feel bad for him...id vote for him if i can vote. I think that Bush isnt doing a very good job with this "conflict" (i dont call it a war for various reasons). If Kerry wins, he wont do much of a better job than Bush is doin right now. But yet, if Nadar wins, everyone will hate him and he wouldnt know what to do. But for right now Nadar would have my vote.

So wait a second..... What you are saying is that none of the candidates know what they are doing?

Originally Posted by Adam Y.

So wait a second..... What you are saying is that none of the candidates know what they are doing?

mmmm ya I guess you can say that. lol

-Court-